From tariqas-approval@world.std.com Sun Mar 19 04:58:43 2000 Return-Path: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA10116 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:58:42 -0800 X-envelope-info: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21759 for tariqas-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21392 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21164 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:44:46 -0500 (EST) From: informe@best.com Received: from [204.156.129.34] (informe.vip.best.com [204.156.129.34]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id EAA07689 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:43:03 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: informe@shell13.ba.best.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:43:02 -0800 To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Alam al Mithal and the Ideational Realm Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: tariqas@europe.std.com Status: RO As-salaamu alaikum, What is the relation of the alam-al-mithal, as we use the term to mean the realm of inagination, or imaginal perception, to the ideational realm? The realm I refer to is described by Shaykh Hasan Shushud in this way: "The seeker's first step in annihilation is to leave the corporeal world and reach the realm of knowledge. This is the hardest and longest phase of all. Those who pass through it successfully, achieving realization at the first degree of conscious death, then gain admittance to the spiritual realm. The 'objects of knowledge ' are directly perceived at this stage... "' Objects of Knowledge ' and 'occult substances ' are called 'Eternal Ideas' (a'yan thabita), for they are 'the realities of potentialities, fixed in the Divine Consciousness'." (Master of Wisdom of Central Asia, Sh. Hasan Shushud, Tr. Mutar Holland, Coombe Springs Press, 1983 - highly recommended) In "Journey to the Lord of Power" Shaykh-ul-Akbar Ibn al-Arabi mentions (in a passage immediately following the one cited by Shaykh Siraj recently) "And there descend upon you (in spiritual retreat) abstract intelligible ideas in sensory forms. This descent is difficult, since no one knows what is meant by these forms except a prophet, or whomever God wills among the righteous.So do not concern yourself with this...occupy yourself with dikhr until the world of imagination is lifted from you and the world of abstract meanings free of matter is revealed to you." This suggests that the two realms are distinct from each other, with the ideational realm senior to it. Clearly the ideational realm corresponds to the world of Platonic forms and is an "outer" layer where there is still differentiation, as with the Names, which are a deeper layer yet. Forgive me for harping on the subject, as I've mentioned it a half dozen times here, but there seems to be a spectrum with differentiation and concreteness on one end and abstraction and Unity at the other, leading me to believe that abstraction is an actual dimension, like length and breadth and hight and time, showing a kind of distance between our situations here and the Truth. Wasalaam, Hamza