From tyagi@bjt.net Sun Nov 17 06:07:54 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA23850 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 06:07:51 -0500 Received: by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA10132; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 02:00:06 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 02:00:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199611171000.CAA10132@kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: 9611.qabalah.tn From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Status: O >Path: kudonet.com!kudo!tyagi >From: tyagi@hollyfeld.org (nigris (333)) >Newsgroups: alt.magick.moderated,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.divination,alt.magick.order >Subject: The Qabalah >Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.divination,alt.magick.order >Date: 16 Nov 1996 23:51:12 -0800 >Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services >Lines: 122 >Sender: tyagi@bjt.net >Approved: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com >Message-ID: >Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nigris (333)) >NNTP-Posting-Host: kudo.kudonet.com >Xref: kudonet.com alt.magick.moderated:70 alt.magick.tyagi:8155 alt.magick:76283 alt.divination:7308 alt.magick.order:1397 [Orig-To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org] 49961008 AA1 Hail Satan! rjc@plaza.ds.adp.com (Rick Crowell): #I have seen many books about the Cabala (such as 777) but I have never #seen the Cabala itself. usually it is heard or conceptualized, not seen in a strict sense. the book _777_ is a composite of Qabalistic information, inclusive of a table of correspondences ('777' proper) begun by Knorr von Rosenroth, continued by Aleister Crowley in an attempt to mesh global conceptualizations and language to a numeric tridecameter centered in Hebrew letters and numbers (together totally 32 in number), which are heavily featured in any system, some favoring Hebrew, some other languages/cultures. #Does it exist as a book? there are books called things like 'The Cabala' (various spellings). some will claim that their particularly favored book constitutes the entirety of the Cabala, though others would dispute this and there are Jewish and Hermetic traditions which appear to contradict this. #I looked up the word Cabala in a dictionary and found the following #defintion: An occult theosophy of rabbinical origin, widely transmitted #in medieval Europe, based on an esoteric interpretation of the Hebrew #Scriptures. not detailed but respectable. #This isn't clear if it's an actual book or not. usually it is not, though it does have to do with particular books within the traditions of its manifestation, and it may participate within the unusual notion that the cosmos is such a Book. #If it is a book then who wrote it and when? I'm not the ceremonialist on this list. you ought to get more detailed answers from those who are Hebrew-fanatics (which I am not). when seeking information about the Cabala, try books like 'The Sephir Yetzirah', 'The Zohar', books by Isaac Luria, Halevi and Scholem for starters. this is in part what is valued within the Kabbalah or Jewish mystical tradition ("rabbinical"). beyond this, you may find books by Dion Fortune ('The Mystical Qabalah') and other Hermetics like Regardie ('A Garden of Pomegranates') or Frater Achad (Jones; various, ask Sr. Lillyth) to be valuable. this is what is popular in the Qabalah or Hermetic- Christian mystical tradition ("theosophic"). the first books I mentioned are ascribed historical authors by some, but their origins are in dispute. the timing someone can pin down who knows the texts better than I. #If it's not a book then what is it. some say that the Cabala is a kind of interpretation of the events around one in terms of their spoken significance to the divine ('Logos'). see the concept within Crowley and others on the 'Oath of the Abyss' for more, as well as letters within _Magick Without Tears_ referencing 'qabalah' for more liberal interpretations of the term. literally it translates as 'spoken instruction' or 'tradition' or something. #When someone studies the Cabala what is it they are studying. usually when people say this they are studying the over-popularized ideas of people like Luria, or learning Hebrew letters or learning the Golden Dawnian symbol-associations within what they are told is 'the Tree of Life' (a symbolic schematic which refers to something beyond illustration and may have many different configurations despite the dogma promoted within vulgar occult hack-houses). some relate this tree to hidden worlds, some to systems or hoardings of esoteric wisdom supposed secreted on 'other planes', some their 'psychic' or 'astral body' (compare the kundalini yoga ideas), some to the entirety of the cosmos, splayed out in a multitude of symbols for our rational minds to grasp hold of. often we may hear people speak of 'categorizing all known phenomena within the file system of the Tree of Life' so as to come to comprehend the Word (of God). others see these things as metaphors only to direct experience, and that studying the Tree of Life (however it be constructed) is like looking at a map of one's ideal life pattern. orienting with respect to that map and moving about or following through with some posited 'progression' (often enacting mythic mimicry of popular formulae) may become the goal or 'working' or 'study'. sometimes this involves visualization and presuming a specific sequence of symbolic association which one may encounter in the 'astral' (imagination) realm. some people even believe that experiences and revelation gained within such ritual visualizations can 'mature their soul' or 'enhance their wisdom'. others go further in asserting that the instructions or reflection (what I would call 'divination') gained through this process must be applied or 'grounded' in the world of the material (sometimes called 'Malkuth' in QBL studies). most who make the claim are just throwing around words which we do not understand in order to sound important and impress our friends. seldom are the oft-potent tools we have discovered or stolen truly benefit us in any long-term way. also see: ftp://ftp.hollyfeld.org/pub/Esoteric/Web/Amgkfaq/qblref the alt.magick QBL REF ("Kabbalah FAQ") blessed beast! E6/6/6 nigris (333) -- see http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/nagasiva.html and call: 408/2-666-SLUG!!! ---- (emailed replies may be posted) ---- CC public replies to email ---- * * * Asphalta Cementia Metallica Polymera Coyote La Cuckaracha Humana * * *