Path: typhoon.sonic.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!sea.uu.net!chi.uu.net!xmission!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsf1.elp.rr.com!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!lsnws01.we.mediaone.net!typhoon.we.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Re O'Stat Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.sex,alt.magick,alt.witchcraft,alt.pagan.magick,alt.magick.tantra Subject: Re: Sex Magick, Crowley, and Witchcraft (was Masturbation &Meditation) Organization: Tantric Psychological Association References: <3526-397C39AE-12@storefull-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8m2pim$g2a@bolt.sonic.net> <3fph5.2810$pl4.20008@news4.atl> <39864325.4C03@sympatico.ca> <5kFh5.3693$0I5.38989@news2.atl> <8m7p4j$nf7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8m8e2q$p7m@bolt.sonic.net> <3989EDB2.FE0AC931@geographic.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Message-ID: Lines: 58 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:02:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.130.57.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.we.rr.com 965350966 24.130.57.56 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:02:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:02:46 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:24788 alt.magick.sex:85835 alt.magick:206762 alt.witchcraft:22950 alt.pagan.magick:24077 alt.magick.tantra:16467 In article <3989EDB2.FE0AC931@geographic.net>, Wombat wrote: > Whitepaw wrote: > > just a quick question, does 'Elohim' come from Aramaic? It looks like > > 'Eloi' > > as in 'Eloi, Eloi, lamma sachthabani' ('My God, my God, why have you > > forsaken me?' if u didn't already know) which was part of my GCSE RE > > revision. > > Elohim is one of the Hebrew words for God. Not the Hebrew name for God, > Yahweh (which is not to be spoken), but a word referring to God. I'm > not surprised that they are similar, since Aramaic was around when > Hebrew was first being written down, and much of Hebrew legend seems to > have been taken from other cultures they were in contact with (Noah v > epic of Gilgamesh). It may well be that Elohim is simply the Hebrew > pronunciation of the Aramaic word Eloi. > > [wombat] Ah....no. Elohim is a fascinating Hebrew word. Hebrew, as with many other languages, has suffixes which indicate gender. For example, many nouns ending in -ah or -ohare feminine singular Yelid=boy Yaldah=girl El=God Elah or Eloh=Goddess Masculine plural is indicated by the suffix, "-im" while fem. plural is indicated by "-oth" (or "-oht," or "-os"). This means that the plural of male gods should be "Elim" While the plural of goddesses should be "Eloahoth." If you take the female singular and add the male plural, you get "Elohim." Traditionally, this is considered to be a use of the Royal We (as in "Let us make man in our image..."). This is a necessity since, in Judaism, there is only one deity. Some Christians try to say that this is a plural because it represents the Trinity. However, most of those theorists are loathe to say that this has any female aspect as that would equate Holy Spirit with the Sophia of Gnosticism and they are terrified of that obvious link to their theology, a link they vigorously deny in spite of its obvious existence. Finally, some Kabalists would say that it is a title of God, as God cannot be limited and is therefore both multiple and singular, male and female. Other might say that it represents all of the aspects of deity on the Tree of Life. Still others might say that it shows the ancient Hebrews were trying to subsume other deities into their One God. Re