From tyagi@bjt.net Sun Nov 17 06:02:44 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA23836 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 06:02:41 -0500 Received: by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA10047; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:54:58 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:54:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199611170954.BAA10047@kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: 9611.actruwl.tn From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Status: O >Path: kudonet.com!kudo!tyagi >From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nigris (333)) >Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.moderated,talk.religion.misc,alt.consciousness.mysticism >Subject: Crowley's Will and True Will >Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,talk.religion.misc,alt.consciousness.mysticism >Date: 16 Nov 1996 23:38:48 -0800 >Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services >Lines: 58 >Sender: tyagi@bjt.net >Approved: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com >Message-ID: >Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nigris (333)) >NNTP-Posting-Host: kudo.kudonet.com >Xref: kudonet.com alt.magick.tyagi:8153 alt.magick:76281 alt.magick.moderated:69 talk.religion.misc:215959 alt.consciousness.mysticism:6637 [Orig-To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org] 4996114 AA1 Hail Satan! Tim 'the Wizard' Maroney: #This one can also be found at: # #http://www.hollyfeld.org/Esoteric/Usenet/Thelema/9410.thelema.tm #In the process he gave Crowleyan Thelema its own version of the #insoluble "problem of evil" that dogs traditional Christianity. If #will is pre-existent and omnipotent, then how is it that there is such #a thing as restriction of the will? my impression was that true will was pre-existent and omnipotent, but that will itself was plainly restrictable. besides, the idea of restriction as Crowley describes it within his Commentaries appears to delve more into restrictions of conceptualization than of physicality -- as we cease to somehow identify with a force or object, restricting ourselves from its nature, so we also cease to have power with respect to it (see Rabbi Jeffrey's article on restriction to which I quipped a reply recently). #...How do we know that it exists? it may be felt, that life-force of sentient existence, and is symbolized by the Egyptian symbol of the ankh. it may be fanned into flame by 'energized enthusiasm'. it can be challenged and yoked to the back of a magical oath. it can be thwarted where not true, and it can be violated by those whose orbits exceed their true will. #What is the meaning of its attribute of righteousness? when speaking of the true will, its righteousness derives from the fact that it fits within the Coherent Perfection and cannot be turned aside, a true 'magical oath' swerving not at all. to the deist it is the 'Will of God' and its nature is Love. #Why should we prefer it to other things? because it is our 'tao' or way of living, and we veer from it only by pitting ourselves against the universal current. the course of least resistance is always preferred in the long-term even while short-term we may benefit at times from bouncing against the sides. E6/6/6 nigris (333) tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com -- see http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/nagasiva.html and call: 408/2-666-SLUG!!! ---- (emailed replies may be posted) ---- CC public replies to email ---- * * * Asphalta Cementia Metallica Polymera Coyote La Cuckaracha Humana * * *