From pan@syix.com Mon Jul 15 09:29:40 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA25894 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:29:39 -0700 Received: from ns1.syix.com (ns1.syix.com [206.153.182.9]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA21284 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:29:38 -0700 Received: from pan.syix.com (treasure-d24.syix.com [206.153.182.34]) by ns1.syix.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05035 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31EA72B2.7C32@syix.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:32:50 -0700 From: Pan Organization: The Universe X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lorax Subject: Heinlein and Michael Valentine Smith References: <4rj0rg$u47@insosf1.netins.net> <4rp5lm$op@jobe.shell.portal.com> <31E1363E.7535@syix.com> <199607141850.LAA02325@jobe.shell.portal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO lorax wrote: > > kaliyuga > 49960714 AA1 (I'd love to hear other perspectives on this issue) > > lorax quotes Otter G'Zell: > > |> Otter G'Zell founded and incorporated the Church of All > |> Worlds in 1967, which became the first Neo-Pagan church > |> to obtain full Federal recognition in the US. First to > |> apply the term "Pagan" to the newly emerging Earth > |> Religions of the 1960's and through his editorship of > |> the _Green Egg_ (1968-1975), Otter was instrumental in > |> the coalescence of the Neo-Pagan movement. In 1970, > |> Otter formulated and published the thealogy of deep > |> ecology which has become known as The Gaea Hypothesis. > |> With his wife and soulmate, Morning Glory, he founded > |> the Ecosophical Research Association [ERA], whose projects > |> have included raising Unicorns, chasing Mermaids, and > |> exploring the Underworld. > |> > |> (p. 4, accompanying Zell's 'THEAGENESIS...' essay, same issue) > |> _________________________________________________________ > > > Pan : > |Lovelock began his Gaia Hypothesis in the 1960's as part of his work > |with NASA in re the Mars/Viking life search experiment. > > so was this 'Gaia Hypothesis' prior to Zell's usage? why would he lie? I posted the information in case anyone might get the mistaken idea that Zell is somehow the originator of what is thew Gaia hypothesis. I have no idea if the original poster was making a false claim for Zell or if Zell was taking credit for Lovelock and Margulis' work. > > |Abbey, et al, used the term "deep ecology" before Zell. > > is Zell stating here that he used the term first? See above. Scholars tned to be sensitive about proper attribution for things that most UseNet users could care less about. For those of us who do have this disability of wanting correct attribuition of intellectual history it can be an automatic reaction to post corrections. FWIW, YMMV. > > |Has anyone searched for RAH comments about CAW? > > what is RAH? Robert A. Heinlein, author of _Stranger In a Strange Land_, from which the idea of a "Church of All Worlds" was taken. Another one of those attribuition things. > > |Would MVS have joined CAW? > > is this relevant in some way? please explain. > MVS = Michael Valentine Smith, the main character of _Stranger In A Strange Land_. MVS was a earthling survivor of a failed colonizing exoedition to Mars. When recovered his upbringing by martians became evident. His sense of morality and religion and what constitutes healthy social interaction stood in stark contrast to normal earthie behavior. MVS ends up being stoned to death. In case you aren;t aware of the book, it has cult status as a book of the 50's rediscovered in the 60's and extremely wide read on a global basis. The term 'grok' comes from the book as well as a number of other terms and ideas. I don't speak for the incarnation of the Church of All Worlds that Zell, apparently, is the originator. And I don't speak for the Heinlein estate. I *am* aware, along with mnay others, that Zell's CAW is derivative of Heinlein. That's not a condemnation of Zell, merely more information for the grist mill of a brain that thinks and eyes that see beyond surface appearances. Pan