Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc72.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.speakeasy.net!news.speakeasy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:30:48 -0600 Return-Path: X-ARWM-Policy: http://stump.algebra.com/~arwm X-ARWM-Info-1: Send submissions to arwm@stump.algebra.com X-ARWM-Info-2: Send complaints to arwm-board@stump.algebra.com X-Comment: moderators do not necessarily agree or disagree with this article. X-Robomod: STUMP, ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov), C++/Perl/Unix Consulting X-Moderation-1: Hassle-Free commercial hosting of moderation sites available X-Moderation-2: See http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:44:52 CST From: Tiliqua Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca.moderated Subject: Re: Question Organization: I'm Not_Organised Message-ID: References: Reply-To: funnelwebmaster@longpaddock.net.au X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Approved: ARWM Approval Key X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP alt.religion.wicca.moderated iQBVAwUAP6awNDVFE+OLSUH1AQEirgH/QXj6J+cJhi/Jp06qKPl/f8ZwLobu3QCp wZf9T7Q1+eTV4lv97BzCUegRxm5vjU54AxU3lPRMQgN4rD5c/qBWcA== =QoGl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-15.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,NO_DNS_FOR_FROM,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.81.226.183 X-Trace: sv3-YBs0v4uqEGeMBJLzH4xrutTxySJ+oUwNsvgkruHycZPSXMvOeeNFApbpno+kuYHwuWtZmg8Qt/MBre+!zmBHCKp9FBRLP+k63TwmIDpufqinm/KJhyU3F5Q7ANPEF0T8lLk7i2A0J69rYVvxrh/ZCmQw1tUy!AP/fYtviaF4mWfIE1I2ZCBi43rw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@speakeasy.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@speakeasy.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.religion.wicca.moderated:88773 Following intense negotiations with a potato, I respond to Jackdaw who opined that: > >"M'Kel" wrote in message >news:fR3pb.4468$ws.435678@news02.tsnz.net... >> For all those theological types hanging around here-abouts, I've been >> mulling over this question for a couple of weeks and am stumped and as >there >> are some peeps here who are far more knowledgable than me about such >things >> I decided to ask. >> Would disagreeing with diety be considered 'not believing' in diety? > To disagree with someone, you have to belive there IS a someone. >I guess. Please also note that most of the instances of "God's word" have been passed to us (well, to those religions which have hierarchies) through the fallible mouths of priests. Disagreeing with a priest is not disbelieving the deity that priest claims to represent. One of the reasons I am (solitary, eclectic) pagan is that I do not have to endure the intervention of interpreters between me and my Deities. Our communication is direct and immediate. The disadvantage is that it also carries the "Ring of Authenticity" (Aside: should I trademark that??) and I KNOW that She or He has made His/Her wishes known - this is for SURE!! - and when it happens - I KNOW that it's happened and it's genuine. This means that it's also probably perilous to disagree, but it's not forbidden nor does it signify a failure in my faith. -- May the Lord and The Lady prosper your ventures