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Subject: KKaos: Satanic Indians
Date: 13 Sep 1997 02:49:16 -0700
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>ahem....
>soeaking as both a christian AND someone with indian blood running in 
>their
>veins.........INDIANS WERE NEVER SATANIC!
>Shit howdy, if anything we all were PAGAN damnit.

Actually, they do have some historical ammo here....

	During the Zuni / Pueblo rebellion in the 1500s, the Indians of
the southwest rose up against the tyranny of the Church and the Spanish.
They smashed and burned missions and killed all the priests, calling on
Satan to aid them (if the washichu feared him so, he must have power over
them). It was a stunning victory for the Indians and devil images became
part of the culture. Devil kachina dolls were made. His image was painted
on bowls and woven into baskets as medicine against the whites. Many say
this is the origin of the devil masks and such used in Dia De Los Muertos
celebrations and funerals in the rural areas of Sonora, Mex. 

	It took the Spanish over 15 years to retake the area, and even
then they had to compromise. The church changed it's approach
DRASTICALLY. The days of inquisition style conversion were replaced by
integration. The Virgin was merged with the mythos of Corn Woman and
Satan himself got a bushy tail, yellow eyes and in some depictions, the
horns were replaced with pointed ears. (woof?!) Most of the artifacts of
this time were destroyed over the years by zealous priests, however, some
families retain old bowls and such in their homes, just in case they have
to do it again (and as a picture-story of the history).

	The Apache are NOT part of this tradition. At the time, most
Apache were on the northern plains and some were in texas, however, being
nomadic and eventually being relocated into reservations in the
southwest, they were most definitely exposed to this hybrid religion. But
a Satanic Apache Front? More white man bullshit. Tall'h'queh apple!

>Kevin, know where I can borrow a big axe and a fluffy tail?

	I don't think our ancestors or the spirits would frown on using
one from orchard supply! Hell, I know how to make a war-club..... and
hey, whose tail you planning to wear? Wonder if our apple would get
nervous if he saw us with nasty big nipple piercings and shaved sides of
the head. Hmm, funny how goth overlaps with Blackfoot warrior culture!


Kevin Kaos              Kaos-labs@Juno.com
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I've got a mind Like A Steel Trap - Rusty And Illegal In 37 States!

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