Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.christnet,talk.religion.misc,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.satanism Subject: Jewish and Christian Anti-Gods References: <60c1718e.0312211539.a16c3b8@posting.google.com> <3FE64D8C.8E2C389D@luckymojo.com> <60c1718e.0312220332.65c254f3@posting.google.com> <3FE75144.4966A950@pacbell.net> <3FE86751.DD14C2FC@pacbell.net> <3262406f.0401011354.1d4d7345@posting.google.com> From: nocTifer Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 49 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:33:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1074818036 208.201.242.18 (Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:33:56 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:33:56 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:45674 alt.christnet:748855 talk.religion.misc:408431 alt.christnet.demonology:14121 alt.satanism:238599 50040122 vii om Hail Satan! thewolvarene@hotmail.com (Joshua B): # The Old Testament speaks of Lucifer by stating: # # "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how # art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For # thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt # my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of # the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the # heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be # brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit." certain bibles do. it's a bad translation in the Vulgate. consult: http://www.satanservice.org/propaganda/ only those who serve or worship a spirit are really reliable to give some reflection on what a being will provide or deny to its devotees. those who castigate or condemn the spirit or its worshippers are usually slanting against clear vision of it, and don't make very good sociologists of religion. the being called 'Satan' or (amusingly) 'Lucifer' (a name for Venus and a nickname for the King of Babylon) is no exception. # The Bible shows a clear Fall in which Lucifer(a created being of light # - angel) underwent because his plans to dethrone Yehovah .... it's not really very clear. better to consult pseudoepigrapha like the Book of Noah or the Book of Enoch to find the 'Fall' story in quasi-biblical text. otherwise, see clear fictions like Milton or Dante or some church father. # Darkness in its entirity is not originated of Satan, but was there # before his Fall, as he had to have something to "fall into." usually the condemnatory rhectalick has it that they did the Bad Thing in refusing to obey the Godfather. y r B o l b n e e w s a o s s d e t e d ! .com@nagasiva nocTifer