Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.satanism,alt.religion.wicca,alt.witchcraft,alt.pagan,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Re: Is Witchcraft Satanic (&Potter Books Therefore Demonic!)? References: <404be9a7$1_1@news.tm.net.my> <4Sc5c.8725$_3.112019@typhoon.sonic.net> <16a5f$4056105e$d89e2d68$15464@dcanet.allthenewsgroups.com> From: satanservice.org@boboroshi (SOD of the CoE) Reply-To: satanservice.org@boboroshi User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 121 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:55:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1079391344 208.201.242.18 (Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:55:44 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:55:44 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:46319 alt.satanism:241320 alt.religion.wicca:829162 alt.witchcraft:69674 alt.pagan:389608 alt.fan.harry-potter:221732 50040315 vii om uncited: #> Satanism is a sect of Christianity, worshipping the devil. this is the "satanism" of Christians, and has little to do with the Satanism of those who actually practice. there are a small subset of Satanists who worship what they call Satan, but typically they are not inverso-Christians, as you've pretended to know here. #> Instead of Yehova.. a good number of Satanists actually disbelieve in that god or his importance. though Christians and others promote their god as necessary or important to the cosmos, there are numerous others who have developed a reactionary or contextually-driven identification of the being 'Satan' whom they find attractive. #> As a two god system most Satanists appear to be atheists in the sense that they see all of this as metaphor and do not consider Jehova worthy of their attentions, sometimes more worthy of their opposition. if the Satanist presumes gods, usually the Christian god is down- played or actively opposed as a deceiver and arrogant liar. #> I suppose it was hardly suprising that those who didn't want #> to worship the Christian god would want to worship the #> Christian devil... Satanists have explained this opposition to Christianity well enough such that those who have their heads buried in their own scripture could become aware of more than their diatribes if they examined their ethics and rectified their methods toward a more sincere and less arrogant stance. the few demonolaters whom I've encountered weren't Christians, and sometimes they didn't consider themselves to be Satanists. #> You need to have been Christian to be a Satanist... this is false. I've never been a member of a Christian church, was not raised to be part of the Christian religion, have never considered myself to be an exclusive Christian, but I am firmly interested in serving Satan as I have come to know Hir through study of numerous sources. #> Most witches are not interested in Christianity, this is true. in fact, I'd suggest that there is a strong and indicative antagonism between witches and Christians, primarily because of the false stories told by witches about "The Burning Times" and their own bad memories from childhood Christian homes. #> or its secondary god Satan. typically the Christian does not like to refer to Satan as a god, but some do, especially the euphemistic 'god of this world' as presented by Paul and others. usually the term 'god' applied this way is a reduction, contrasted with the 'God' of Christianity. those outside either sometimes talk about the 'two gods of Christianity' but have a very specific criticism in mind (as to the power described of the anti-god). Gemini : # [A] point I have tried to get across to others so many times.... unfortunately, it is a biased and unfair point which doesn't have very firm grounding in a study of religion, preferring instead to dwell in a subjective twisting of the facts to suit your preferred view of the world. just another delusion. # ...For whatever reason study, patient encounters with numerous religious and witches in a variety of context, from studying in Outer Court circles and attending off-site church encounter groups to reading articles from sociologists of religion concerning viewpoints that religious have about one another. # they refuse to believe that satan is christian, this is of course true, but Satan is also Jewish, and now Satan is also, arguably, Neopagan and atheist. # and [that] pagans (and, in general, [witches]) are *not* # [satanic]. in fact neither are all witches Neopagan (look a little further afield and you'll discover all manner of witches in cultures you're ignoring), nor does the term 'satanic' in its various guises mean the same thing to different people. as a Christian condemnation of course you are COMPLETELY CORRECT. from the vantage point of studying numerous religions, 'Satanic' has come to mean something much larger than those who are *opposed to their conception of said being* have been able to conceive. this appears also to translate to a number of Neopagans, which isn't surprising, given that the religious complex of Neopaganism might easily be argued as a subset of Christianity. # You *have* to be xtian to believe in/worship satan inversos do qualify for this limited explanation, but your concepts are *CHRISTIAN AT BASE* and you'd do better than just blithely accepting as your authorities Christians who are antagonistic to Satan and witches as a whole. i.e. you are attempting to bring to heel those who are telling you that their experience as Satanists differs, but you are repeating Christian dogma as if you are one. blessed beast! boboroshi at-sign satanservice.org: Satanic Outreach Director Church of Euthanasia: http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/ TOKUS WEBLINKS: http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/B/boboroshi/ Ninth Scholar's Library (Satanism Archive): http://www.satanservice.org/