Path: typhoon.sonic.net!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: SVsite Newsgroups: alt.satanism Subject: Re: PRE-C.O.S.> DID BELIEVE IN A 'SATAN', Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:20:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 95 Message-ID: <8a2l64$ckv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <0a83e3e0.040ded90@usw-ex0101-008.remarq.com> <20000305031217.19326.00000593@nso-fu.aol.com> <89tju5$son$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <01f9157a.b234529a@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com> <89vvv8$f1u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <2ffb2e28.9d00fda0@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.132.142 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 07 10:20:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.36.132.142 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtanijantsang Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.satanism:141690 This is the best post you've made thus far! I salute you then. I think you got it. And I'm glad you understand what I say and don't either pretend you don't and try to fuck with me, or really don't and ask me the same questions 100 times and make yourself BORING as some others do. This is a GOOD post and what you have said about your own beliefs and day to day change is WISE. Doc, on his deathbed, probably never considered "Jesus" but he MAY have considered Adonai. That was the deity he may have heard of from childhood, very early on, being in the ethnic group he was in. And oh yes, that was his ethnic group. His parent's conception of Deity was nature. But then, what did THEY believe when they were in metaphorical fox holes? Adonai Elohim and etc? Maybe. I don't know what he REALLY thought from day to day or on his deathbed. But the point is - I also don't care! I DO NOT rail against Satanists who believe in a LITERAL Devil with horns. I don't care what anyone believes per se. What are THEY LIKE AS PEOPLE - that is what is MORE REAL to me. A fellow Black Magician that comes into my house and steals my shit is an ENEMY. But a christian who preaches about Jehova and can be TRUSTED alone in my house, is NOT my enemy. It boils down to the simplest of things, in REAL life - i.e., what I DO. And what I DO is real. I can philosophize on a million different things and diatribe polemically talking out of 100 sides of my mouth as I did with a Maoist group. What I DO, however, is real. The rest is nothing. I don't view the LaVey family as a dynasty or care about their personal doings. I don't give a flying fuck about their family squabbles and I think it was stupid to air all of that in front of the damned market place. Well, Bob Larson the Christian got richer for all of it. When I could easily have done so, ask this, ask that, even over a phone, I never bothered to ask: if I had cared, I'd have asked. I DO know that words can be misinterpreted - either by accident or DELIBERATELY (like Prinn tries pathetically to do, INVITING someone, anyone, to trash him all over again. He has a mosquito complex - he tries to BE one and he pics and chooses different people to OBSESS over on this ng and BOY, does he obsess or what....) I think I spelled it out pretty clearly and I tried like hell to be polite about it. Satanism is Satanism and different people have different ways of conceptualizing things - and that doesn't normally stay the same unless the person is stagnant and barren. What a person DOES is more important than what a person "thinks." Lots of people swear they think or believe this or that but their actions, their deeds, PROVE they don't think or believe any of it. Tani Jantsang In article <2ffb2e28.9d00fda0@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com>, DarkMagus wrote: > First off, I think you are a very intelligent being, and I give > you the utmost respect. I enjoy your posts and they carry alot > of weight in my eyes. I have the greatest respect for Dr. LaVey, > do not get me wrong. He was a true master in every sense of the > word. However, I feel as I examine the big picture, as an > outsider, I feel in the early beginnings, he was influenced by a > smaller circle as well as the signs of the times. The 60's were > a wild and charismatic time. He stepped up to THE PLATE, BUT > DID HE ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND REALLY PUT TOGETHER WHAT HE > BELIEVED IN? I feel he was under alot of pressure & to an > atheist he was one and to a satanist he was one, and to a > luciferian,...? Today I feel America would lose a war with > Russia,..ten years ago I would say different. I am very familiar > with what you know, but to be honest, I will share something > personal with you, just to show that I honor your integrity. And > J.Y. as well, also an intelligent being. I have studied magick > for over 30 years, and to this day, I still do not know what the > hell I believe in.Everyday I believe and learn more,.. I do not > want to be stagnant in a stuck belief system. I can do a ritual > & I know " I've done a ritual",..then there are times I think > its all horse shit!I think Doc had his doubts as he lay in his > death bed, what he would soon encounter. How do you know he did > not say a silent prayer to jesus asking him to forgive > him?...Well, maybe I took it too far there!BLAHHH! But > seriously, how do we know as he lay in that hospital bed, ready > and knowing full well he would be dead soon, how do we know the > inner most thoughts inside an intelligent being's mind? We > don't! I'm sure doc had plenty of thoughts he never shared with > any one,..we all do for that matter. And I think because he was > intelligent was the reason why he never allowed his ideas to be > too bogged down nor stagnant. Stagnation is the ruin of all of > man's achievments. This is how I see it, we will never > know,.even if he was sitting in on this boaed,..we still would > never know,... > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.