From alt.satanism Wed Apr 5 20:32:10 2000 Path: typhoon.sonic.net!pants.skycache.com!newsfeed2.skycache.com!triton.skycache.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 63.254.26.181 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Did LaVey invent Satanism? Lines: 116 From: bupahs Newsgroups: alt.satanism Message-ID: <317486bf.ed44d9da@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com> Bytes: 5443 X-Wren-Trace: eLaTu7qj5K7l9Leusv6kn66wqLz9sfmt8+zq++33+7jr5rjm4Kc= Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:47:17 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.6 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 954556949 10.0.2.6 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:42:29 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:42:29 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.satanism:143615 Status: RO I am so tired of hearing that LaVey 'invented' Satanism. As I have always said, LaVey published HIS version of Satanism, his version of Satanism is not the totality of Satanism. I am going to post some information that I hope will show everyone that LaVey and the CoS practice a VERSION of Satanism, it is far from the oldest and far from the only. I must say that I did, and still do, respect LaVey for his opinion and views on Satanism but Satanism goes back a lot farther than the 1966 formation of the Church of Satan and then writing of the Satanic Bible. 1. Satanism - The CoS would have you believe that there was no religion or single philosophy called Satanism prior to Anton LaVey and his Satanic Bible. Well folks this simply is a bold faced lie, a little research into the matter proves their assertions very wrong: 1a. Satanism defined and dated, Source Merriam-Webster, Incorporated: Pronunciation: 'sA-t&n-"i-z&m Function: noun Usage: often capitalized ~Date: 1565 <--- not 1966 1 : innate wickedness : DIABOLISM 2 : obsession with or affinity for evil; specifically : the travesty of Christian rites - sa·tan·ist /-ist/ noun, often capitalized Looks like LaVey is not the father of the term Satanism, or even Satanist, apparently all LaVey did was twist the definition around for his own use (nothing really wrong with that, it served his purpose). Now could there be a religion or philosophy that is older than LaVey and his church? Could it be that the CoS are pretenders to the throne as they accuse everyone else of being.. lets see: 1b. A Satanic religion that actually USES the word Satanism to define their belief (or lack of) structure. Oh no, looks like we may have a problem with the CoS's constant tossing out of "There was no single religion that used the term Satanism prior to Anton LaVey and the Church of Satan" rhetoric. Luciferians (a real heresy that proclaimed to be Satanists in 1630 AD, splinter groups are still very active today with little change of dogma or structure) they believed the actual creation of this world was credited to Lucifer. Luciferian Quotes : 1. "we hold the same values that Lucifer did when he rebelled against the tyranny of collectivism and we proudly stand under the name that represents self-assertion and liberty; Satanism"<-- Satanism?? Does that say Satanism?, a religious philosophy that used the word Satanism? wow, what wonders one finds within the confines of a small rural town libary. 2. "Luciferians realize the power of their own individuality and won’t allow fear and superstition to overrule reason. The Luciferian says: "I think, therefore I AM God" Reason stands above faith, worship, or submission" <-- humm, sounds a lot like a certian Satanic Bible author does it not? I wonder if LaVey ever read the Luciferian Philosophy and Theology book. 3. "Lucifer is the embodiment of reason, of intelligence, of critical thought. He stands against the dogma of God and all other tyrannical dogmas. He stands for the exploration of new ideas and new perspectives in the pursuit of truth". <-- again a very simular statement made by a certian Satanic Bible auther, I think I see a trend here. Humm, seems like the Luciferian concept is strangely familiar to LaVeys, in fact with only a few slight variations LaVeys 'philosophy' IS Luciferian. Just so you know I am not a Luciferian, I am just showing that a practiced religion called itself Satanism long before LaVey came trolling along. I will let everyone digest this, and I may post more information at a later time, but as I think I pretty much just slapped the cup from the Church of Satan's hand, so this will do for now. The CoS wants to pretend they invented Satanism, wants everyone to bow before then, they want "Bragging Rights" when all they really have is a VERSION of Satanism. They need to get their heads out of the sand and realize this. One only has to wonder, why hasn't the Luciferians bothered to stand against the CoS and LaVey for stealing so boldly their philosophies and structure, could it be that the Luciferians have better things to do than claim bragging rights to a philosophy that more than likely predates even them?, could it be that the Luciferians, unlike the CoS, would rather live vital lives. hummm I am a Free Thought Satanist that uses whatever philosophy, dogma, idea or practice I deem fit. I UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT that there are many variations of Satanism, I welcome the diversity. Magister Keith, FCoS March 27 2000 On another note, I took the liberty of contacting the United States Copyright and Trademark offices, it took them 2 1/2 weeks to respond but they assure me, there is no record of the Church of Satan, Anton LaVey, Blanche Barton or any other agent holding any form of Copyright or Trademark to the Baphomet Pentagram. But all one really had to do was do a search on the USCT web site to find out this information (which of course I did and it turned up nothing). Another cup gets smacked from the hand of the CoS. Magister Keith, FCoS ICQ # 59310973 http://darkurth.cjb.net http://www.churchofsatan.org * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!