From tyagi@bjt.net Thu Dec 26 19:29:32 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12927 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 19:29:29 -0500 Received: from kudo20.kudonet.com by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA29880; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 15:14:39 -0800 Received: by kudo20.kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA08387; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 15:06:22 -0800 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 15:06:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199612262306.PAA08387@kudo20.kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: Satanism/9612.chrstan.h From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) X-Status: Status: O >Path: kudonet.com!news.scruz.net!miwok!news1.best.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!206.65.161.251!news.ld.centuryinter.net!usenet >From: haphaestus@geocities.com (Haphaestus) >Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.magick.tyagi,talk.religion.misc,alt.evil,alt.christnet >Subject: Re: Questions to all satanists. >Date: 24 Dec 1996 16:30:49 GMT >Organization: Stygian Blacksmith Studios >Lines: 84 >Message-ID: <59p0fp$p2@news.ld.centuryinter.net> >References: <32AE4A32.622A@lund.mail.telia.com> <32BF42DF.6CF@neonramp.com> >NNTP-Posting-Host: anxp5.wi.centuryinter.net >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII >X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) >Xref: kudonet.com alt.satanism:47428 alt.magick.tyagi:8558 talk.religion.misc:221638 alt.evil:34296 alt.christnet:137861 In article <32BF42DF.6CF@neonramp.com>, jmeyer@neonramp.com says... > >nocTifer wrote: >> J.D.: >> #> 1. I just wonder if you are celebrating cristmas? >> >> the birthday of a man who never existed, stolen from worshippers of Mithras? >> Hell no. > > Actually there is alot of evidence linking the biblical religion to >Egypt. So it may have been Osiris. There is also the Soshyans aspect of Zoroastrianism, which is much more similar to Christ than is Osiris (incl. the harrowing of Hell), with the addition of being a widespread religion withing the 1st mill. B.C.E. >> #> 2. How can you have a [wife] that you love and still be a satanist? One could make an argument that A Satanist is capable of loving his or her spouse more than a Christian due to the emphasis on life (as opposed to afterlife), relative lessening or absense of guilt (esp. in sexual matters), and the emphasis on dealing practically with reality instead of relying on prayer of sublimation (a quality that is reinforced in marriage counselling, &c.). > Are you a member of the Church of Satan? Do you believe in the >existance of Satan in the biblical sense? If so, you would be conding >the belief in christ (though in a indirect method). > > Belial The official CoS position -- as far as I am aware -- is atheistic and metaphorical in the Jungian sense. However, this attitude is nowhere universal. As for an acceptance of Satan as objective translating into a belief in Christ, this is not necessarily the case; it only implies that Satan has functioned withing the periods of Judeo-Christian theological history. One could be a Satanist and believe in the existence of the historical Nazarene (or Essene from Qumran, depending on the research you credit), but take the Islamic perspective and hold that he was a prophet, not the son of God, and therefore not divine; one could take the Judaic perspective and hold that the Nazarene was an imposter, and that the real Messiah -- if there is to be one -- has not arrived yet. And one could take the perspective that the entire Judeo-Christian conons of scripture are pure fiction, but incorporate stories of Satan's exploits (as well as references to Baal, Leviathan, Behemoth, et al.) that reflect actual events. There is also the matter that only once in the Gospels does Satan make an appearance -- in the temptation in the wilderness, which according to the passages could not have been directly verified by any witnesses, since the Nazarene was in isolation. Even the "demons" that were cast out do not necessarily support Satanic involvement in the life of Jesus: none of them claim to be in league with Satan, and there is the question posed by one of them -- "Have you come to judge us before our time?" -- that would only apply to a spirit of the dead, not a demon (the demons had already been judged, so the mythology says, as of the fall; and the only judgement per se that is referred to in the Gospels is the judging of the quick and the dead -- i.e., humans -- at the apocalypse). In sum: embracing the objective existence of Satan does not correlate with thereby accepting the existence of Christ on a theological level -- not directly and not indirectly. As for accepting the Nazarene's existence on a historical level, that is an effect of archaeological evidence and does not carry over into theological interpretation. Regards, Haphaestus ---------------------------------------------------------------- Stgyian Blacksmith Studios "Don't quote Crowley, tell me what you think." Editor, The Stygian Forge _Mage: The Ascension_ http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5380 Haphaestus E-mail with "Cypher" as subject for PGP 2.6.2 public key. Personal posts will be killfiled unless sent encrypted. ----------------------------------------------------------------