Path: Supernews!supernews.com!news.spinne.com!zephyr.texoma.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!ais.net!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!207.90.222.2!srpbot X-SRP-Policy: http://www.brewich.com/org/srp/charter.html X-SRP-Info-1: Send submissions to srpbot@brewich.com X-SRP-Info-2: Send technical complaints to srp-admin@brewich.com X-SRP-Info-3: Send complaints about policy to srp-modkin@brewich.com Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:07:55 CST From: black bourbon Newsgroups: soc.religion.paganism,alt.satanism Subject: Re: [Question] Is Satanism Pagan? What is Satanism? Is there a form of Satanism not affiliated with JCI beliefs? Organization: The University of Arizona Message-ID: References: <338E6507.430C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP soc.religion.paganism iQBVAwUBM5Y7oUtQYdK6PhLJAQF6MAH/dC32KUXwSavFmOo4gD6GQcktFFXd6j1k U+S09dIFONyQw20A1mlndt4z19X1XVl93jIj7nfmp7wcIlbcwWuyLw== =brbS Approved: SRP Approval Key Lines: 60 Xref: Supernews soc.religion.paganism:8226 alt.satanism:69640 On Fri, 30 May 1997, Tlalocelotl Tlatoque wrote: > Okay, not an attack, a question. > > Is Satanism Pagan and why? In a certain sense, all Satanists are "pagan," according to the proper old usage of the word. Even in the more modern sense, in which "pagan" means "nature religion" of some sort, *some* Satanists would qualify (myself, for instance). > What is Satanism? Being short on time, I will give *my* definition: Satanism is the worship/reverence of the Primal Power, the Primeval Serpent of Chaos, which is the principle of force in nature. This Power has been identified by Judeo-Christian tradition as "Satan," the Adversary, because of the (mistaken) perception that there is a "right" order, above and beyond the physical world (heaven, paradise, Platonic forms, etc), opposed to the "ruler" or "prince" of "this" world (the world of matter and energy), which is the Serpent. We use the name "Satan" primarily because it is the most well-known label, though, in fact, I rarely use "Satan" when in private or when discussing the matter with those familiar with this philosophy, preferring "the Serpent," "Mummu-Tiamat," "Leviathan," "Apep," etc. > Is there a "branch" of Satanism that's totally separate from any JCI > beliefs? (I.E. non-belief in Satan) Many members of the Church of Satan, and others, believe that "Satan" is merely a symbol for individuality, and opposition to Christianity. Others identify Satan with pre-CHristian and non-Christian deities and ideas. There would be a number of these, including myself, the Taniites, the Temple of Set, TOKUS, the Ordo Sinistra Vivendi, Fraternity of Baelder, Temple of the Vampire, etc. > And yes, there's probably a FAQ somewhere, but this is for discussion. > > -- > Never corner a cat... > > =-_^= > > Tlalocelotl Tlatoque > > > -Jason *In the shadow of the Primeval Serpent* _______________________________________ University of Arizona poseyj@u.arizona.edu 1550 N Euclid Ave Tucson, AZ 85719 (520) 792-0767