Path: Supernews70!Supernews73!Supernews60!supernews.com!coop.net!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.0.65.142!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!hollyfeld.org!zazas-l-owner From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.magick.tyagi,talk.religion.misc,alt.pagan Subject: (Z) Azazel, Scapegoat, Jewish Rites (fwd) Date: 26 Apr 1998 16:54:16 -0400 Organization: Hollyfeld Information Systems Lines: 85 Sender: mail@www.hollyfeld.org Approved: alt-satanism,alt-magick-tyagi,talk-religion-misc,alt-pagan@hollyfeld.org Message-ID: <199804262047.NAA26755@shell.accesscom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dns.hollyfeld.org Xref: Supernews70 alt.satanism:91522 alt.magick.tyagi:15627 talk.religion.misc:360457 alt.pagan:260307 49980426 aa2 Hail Satan! I found the text below quite interesting as it simultaneously focusses on Azazel (earlier Semitic fertility god), Jung and his psychological theories, and the Baphometic graphic which may be found in tarot. your comments are welcome. please cc any Usenet response to the author and I as we don't usually read newsgroups. blessed beast! ________________________________________________________________________ nocTifer: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com --- http://www.abyss.com/tokus TOKUS-COE Office: 408/2-666-SLUG --- Emergency Contraception:18005849911 ===================================================================== Orig-To: TAROT-L@techunix.technion.ac.il ~From: yodman ~Subject: question on ancient Jewish ritual and relation to the Devil and Death I read a book some time ago called *The Scapegoat Complex* by Sylvia Brinton Perera. This book is a Jungian analysis which uses material from an ancient Jewish ritual sacrifice. I know next to nothing about this and have had to take her word on it though I would love to hear some more knowledgable reflection. According to her two goats are used in the ritual. One is sent out into the desert (collective unconscious) to carry the faults of the people to Azazel which is described as a sort of Satanic figure which derived from an earlier Semitic goat fertility god. The other goat is slaughtered. If I remember correctly there is specific instruction to dimember the goat and spread the blood about. Printon doesn't mention this but it resonates from the same imagery I've seen in the Marseilles Death (and some other Deaths including G.'. D.'.). This reminds me of the placement of the Devil Trump on the path between Tiphareth and Hod and the placement of Death on the path between Tiphareth and Netzach. In this respect the Devil could be seen as archaic, undifferentiated (shadow) material and Death as the transformed, differentiated material. This has led to a new respect for the Death images of a field with dismembered bodies (not to mention the Adonis/Osiris/Dionysus connection). I also thought it interesting the some associate the sign of Capricorn with the Devil trump/path and some versions of Cap. picture it as half goat and half fish which not only underscores the undifferentiated aspect but includes the symbol for the Hebrew letter some associate with Death, the fish. So I'm wondering if any of the religiously studied on the list could elaborate or refute Printon's understanding of the ritual. --------------------------------------------------------------------- and Orig-To: nocTifer ~From: yodman ~Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:00:14 -0500 I've been given the Chapter in Leviticus as a reference. Of course I already had this information and I'm really looking for the unspoken "mythology" behind the practice. At least half of the Hebrew biblical texts came from a goat-herding culture that had a pantheistic religion. Apparently a fertility god developed into an Angel named Azazel that had many of the characterictics we associate now with the image of Satan, goat-like characteristics: horns, hairiness, cloven-hooves, goatee, etc.. I want to know how accurate the author is in portraying the ritual. ... When you read the sacrifices in the Torah they are definitely spreading a lot of blood around! I guess the next step would be to ask a Rabbi. Kenn -- "Sing on all you want, my dear Cricket; but I know that I'm going away tomorrow at dawn, ...." "Le Aventure di Pinocchio" Carlo Lorenzini, aka Carlo Collodi ____________...oooOOO---zazas-l@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe" to zazas-l-request@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe your@email.com send "unsubscribe your@email.com" To subscribe send "subscribe" to zazas-l-request@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven