From zazas-l-owner@hollyfeld.org Fri Oct 2 17:35:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mindy.accesscom.com (root@ns2.accesscom.com [205.226.156.3]) by shell.accesscom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16139 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:35:19 -0700 Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by mindy.accesscom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27660 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:35:17 -0700 Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27636; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:35:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zazas-l-owner@hollyfeld.org) Received: from www.hollyfeld.org (www.hollyfeld.org [204.130.199.143]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA01429; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:35:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zazas-l-owner@hollyfeld.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA32622 for zazas-l-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:46:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.hollyfeld.org: majordom set sender to owner-zazas-l@hollyfeld.org using -f Received: from mindy.accesscom.com (ns2.accesscom.com [205.226.156.3]) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA32575 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:43:45 -0400 Received: from shell.accesscom.com (tyagi@shell.accesscom.com [205.226.156.10]) by mindy.accesscom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27498 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:31:32 -0700 Received: (from tyagi@localhost) by shell.accesscom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) id RAA15927 for zazas-l@hollyfeld.org; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:31:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199810030031.RAA15927@shell.accesscom.com> Subject: (Z) Re: Demonic Relationships/Pacts In-Reply-To: <006c01bdee2d$39512480$6501a8c0@lan1.local.planete-interactive.tm.fr> from Papaz Vince at "Oct 2, 98 07:51:03 pm" To: zazas-l@hollyfeld.org Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:31:31 -0700 (PDT) From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) Orientation: House of Kaos, St. Joseph, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-zazas-l@hollyfeld.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: zazas-l@hollyfeld.org Status: RO 981002 IIIom nocTifer: #> I would be happy to discuss in detail the elements of a #> Satanic pact from a Satanist perspective and offer my own #> criteria in some greater depth if you or others desire it #> (I'll reply to substantive inquiries through Zazas-L). Papaz Vince: # I think I'm not too far from truth saying we all are # waiting for you to do so. My brain is hungry for your # knowledge. adding to what I'd said that you did not quote: #> ...watch out for your own interests, have a fallback #> plan, and deal only with entities whom you can perceive are #> trustworthy enough to establish the type of connection you #> wish to forge. assess carefully not only your own motivations for making such a pact (since you are possibly admitting of your own lack of power in creating it), but also the character of the entity with whom you establish it. take time to study them through research, interaction, divinatory and intuitive evaluations, should these be fruitful for you. if the pact is with Satan, carefully discern what this Satan is like, whether SHe is likely to renig on the pact, what power, if any, SHe may have to enforce or abide the agreement. default to avoiding it unless it distinctly offers a valuable advantage, just like in contracts with human agents. #> ...the best forms #> of pact would include a signature in blood with a daemonic #> or wrathful entity, with or without the signature of the #> entity in question, in which BOTH parties benefit in some #> obvious manner. examples of benefits can come from historical precursors, be discovered or creatively imagined. no content is required, though that which favors the daemon or Devil is more likely to be heeded by the spirit. some historical gains are fame, fortune, sex, power, and wealth. your cosmological perspective may dictate the limitations of what you have to offer in exchange (for materialists the notion of a 'soul' may or may not hold any relevance -- I understand such a word to relate to the entirety of my being, both subjective and objective). writing in one's own blood is not necessary -- red pen or the blood of another being may be preferred (e.g. a pomegranate). signing in one's own blood is traditional but not required absolutely. many pacts are said to have been verbal, some finalized merely with an intention. #> ...two-way benefit in its form and its open-ended #> application. think like a lawyer. take care not to let any loopholes slip in that constrain an over-abundance of effort or cost in exchange for what you desire, but realize that agreement by the spirit must be inspired by what one is indicating one is giving or going to give up, and future payment by the entity in question will depend on previous arrangements or how likely they feel they are to collect. for this reason, mutual support or incremental exchanges can be the most profitable for both concerned and cement a lasting trust between you. blessed beast! ______________________________________________________________________ nocTifer: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com --- http://www.abyss.com/tokus TOKUS-COE Office: 408/2-666-SLUG --- Emergency Contraception:18005849911 ____________...oooOOO---zazas-l@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe" to zazas-l-request@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe your@email.com send "unsubscribe your@email.com" To subscribe send "subscribe" to zazas-l-request@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven