From zazas-l-owner@hollyfeld.org Wed Feb 03 04:49:58 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yronwode@prog-relay.sonic.net Received: (qmail 17355 invoked from network); 3 Feb 1999 04:49:57 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by buzz.sonic.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 1999 04:49:57 -0000 Received: from mindy.accesscom.com (root@ns2.accesscom.com [205.226.156.3]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29537 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:48:43 -0800 Received: from shell.accesscom.com (root@shell.accesscom.com [205.226.156.10]) by mindy.accesscom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27731 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:30:14 -0800 Received: from mindy.accesscom.com (root@ns2.accesscom.com [205.226.156.3]) by shell.accesscom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10085 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:30:05 -0800 Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by mindy.accesscom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27698 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:30:04 -0800 Received: from mail-out-2.tiac.net (mail-out-2.tiac.net [199.0.65.13]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24115; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:30:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from zazas-l-owner@hollyfeld.org) Received: from www.hollyfeld.org (www.hollyfeld.org [204.130.199.143]) by mail-out-2.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29059; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:32:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from zazas-l-owner@hollyfeld.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA04380 for zazas-l-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:34:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.hollyfeld.org: majordom set sender to owner-zazas-l@hollyfeld.org using -f Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA04352 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:33:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 7248 invoked from network); 3 Feb 1999 04:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sub.sonic.net) (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 1999 04:27:20 -0000 Received: from bolt.sonic.net (yronwode@bolt [208.201.224.36]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25270 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:27:20 -0800 X-envelope-info: Received: (from yronwode@localhost) by bolt.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id UAA03512 for zazas-l@hollyfeld.org; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:27:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199902030427.UAA03512@bolt.sonic.net> Subject: (Z) Satanism and Herds (was something else) To: zazas-l@hollyfeld.org (ZAZAS-L Satanist Elist) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:27:16 -0800 (PST) From: "tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com" From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-zazas-l@hollyfeld.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: zazas-l@hollyfeld.org Status: RO Reference: <36AE377A.65F33D3E@pudu.microserve.com> 49990202 IIIom Hail Satan! nocTifer in usenet regarding herds and Satanists: #> conformity indicates security. compromised images of this sort #> are sufficient to demonstrate to the herd that the individual #> is of no plausible threat. corvus@pudu.microserve.com responds in usenet: # Understood and agreed. #> having ascertained this, she may be ignored. # ? Sorry, I don't understand. Who's doing the ascertaining, she or # the herd? Would you be kind enough to explain that better? having ascertained that the individual is of no plausible threat by virtue of conformity to a secure behavior-set, the herd may then ignore hir as unworthy of notice or attention. thus one method that people use to secure themselves is to subject members of their herd to behavioral litmus tests, and one way that people express their individualism is to breach behavioral standards within any particular social context. #> the question you ask about membership in a group in order #> to justify recognition has some merit in that in order to #> 'adhere' there must be a thing to which this aderence abides. #> 'religious adherence' implies a cultural group which #> stipulates standards by which the individual must abide #> should she be interested in maintaining membership (or, in #> the case of totalitarian authorities, integrity). #> #> however, Satanism is anti-religious religion. # Again, I guess that's your take on it? I assert this, yes, I do not pretend that it is asserted by all Satanists. most Satanists seem to abide this, but not all. # Some "Satanic" groups such as FCOS and ToS claim to be # religious in nature. the ToS is arguably not either Satanism or a religion, being a Setian Philosophic path in service to Set. I'm not aware that the FCoS is any more than a single individual or small group, but this is no dismissal of course. #> it therefore #> serves the individual and may require a break from #> religion for the purposes of adherence to SPIRITUALITY #> (that is, the individual spiritual path). # More like the original meaning of "religios", a linking # back to the god-Self? a link back to pre-acculturated animality, refined through discipline into a clear choice to serve oneself. #> religion and politics are not separable at base. many #> religious understand this and seek to obtain to the perfect #> way of life (e.g. anarchistic utopia) despite the surrounding #> religiopolitical climate. sometimes this leads to their #> execution (cf. Albigensians), sometimes it leads to #> their liberation or solidification (cf. Fox and the #> variety of Quakers who followed in his wake). # # Would you be willing to make a comparison of our current # religiopolitical climate to an historical one/s? I'd be # very interested. I am not sufficiently studied to do such a comparison justice, having only recently set out on any kind of historical education in any depth. I leave it for my betters. #> # "Yes, I choose to serve Satan/Kali/Nature. I have a #> # vow of humility. I am under all things by my own free #> # will. Thus the Temple of Kaos is *Under Satan*." #> # #> # This is an interesting synchronicity. I've had a deep, instinctive #> # resonance with Kali for over a decade. I've also met quite a few other #> # Satanists, usually Gen-X or younger who're attracted to her. I'm an #> # artist by trade and did a wonderful gouache of Her. #> #> I'd like to hear more about this resonance should you feel #> interested in posting a response here and in the Usenet #> newsgroup alt.fan.kali.astarte.inanna. :> # # It's a bitch to put to words, more readily rendered into prose, poetry, # art; even then it'll come off strange to those unfamiliar with Her. # She's the weeds in the flower bed, the cancer that Awakens the sleeper # to Life, the lover who ditches me so that I find the true Lover. # I see Her everywhere the domesticated primates scurry to do futile # battle with hazard and disaster. so She is a demoness whose inspiration renders service to the cause of awakening and maturation? does She obtain to any maternal qualities, as you see Her? #> cf. the Virosaivite saints, whose poetry co-opts the variety of #> Indian religious systems that that find around them, into #> alternatives. cf. also the samana movement and materialist #> proto-Buddhists. # # Do you know of any URLs for these refs try this one (it'll eventually be integrated into a couple of websites): http://www.luckymojo.com/avidyana/shaitan/files/tokus/9607.stnsiva.tn blessed beast! ________________________________________________________________________ nocTifer: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com --- http://www.abyss.com/tokus TOKUS-COE Office: 408/2-666-SLUG --- Emergency Contraception:18005849911 if you read this on Usenet, notice that this is an elist posting and it's more likely I'll see your response if you cc me. ____________...oooOOO---zazas-l@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe" to zazas-l-request@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe your@email.com send "unsubscribe your@email.com" To subscribe send "subscribe" to zazas-l-request@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven