From thelema93-l-owner@hollyfeld.org Mon Oct 27 23:28:34 1997 Received: from veracruz-gw.customer.itw.net (veracruz-gw.customer.ITW.NET [208.211.5.42]) by bay2.bjt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA15359 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:28:33 -0800 Received: from www.hollyfeld.org ([204.130.199.143]) by veracruz-gw.customer.itw.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA49 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 02:35:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA13603 for thelema93-l-outgoing; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 02:33:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.hollyfeld.org: majordom set sender to owner-thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org using -f Received: from lioness.95net.com (lioness.95net.com [207.113.129.10]) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA13600 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 02:33:34 -0500 Received: from [207.113.130.203] (ppp071.95net.com [207.113.130.203]) by lioness.95net.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA06280 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:28:49 -0800 X-Sender: catzlaff@mail.95net.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:33:20 -0800 To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org From: catzlaff@95net.com (Michelle/Tom Catlett-Tetzlaff) Subject: Re: Set 'n' Horus - bad history alert Sender: owner-thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Status: RO Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Tim writes: >Worst of all the essay descends into quasi-Atlantean crackpotism: > >>These blacksmiths, the mesniu, were men armed with weapons made of metal >>(divine iron). Whether the forged iron was star metal from an Asteroid or >>some other source we are not able to determine. > >"We are not able to determine," indeed! Such careful attention to closely >reasoning and intellectual standards is warming to the heart. Strangely >enough I am also not able to determine whether the air is filled with >intangible anteaters. However, I feel reasonable enough giving the answer >"no" to that question, or to the question of the asteroid origin of the >blacksmiths' swords. Frankly, this just looks to me like an awkward condensation from the source material. Meteoric iron was generally clearly distinguished from terrestrial iron in ancient texts (Hittite and Egyptian, for example) because of its divine / heavenly nature. It was reserved for use by kings and priests. Therefore it wouldn't be at all out of line for the author of whatever source text was used to write this essay to speculate that the weapons of the heroic/divine metalworkers were forged of 'black iron of heaven' since the bearers of such weapons were believed to be invincible. Of course, 'asteroid' is not synonymous with 'meteorite,' but it seems fairly clear that he isn't claiming that the heroic metalworkers mined an asteroid. In fact, if the source text actually translates the weapons as being of 'divine iron,' then it's almost certain to have been meteoric iron. It's no mystery. Modern archaologists are not at all confused on this point! I'm not sure where the whole bit about iron is going in the essay, however. The Temple of Horus at Edfu is pretty late, between 200 and 300 BC, from what I remember. And the techological accomplishments of the builders of the pyramids are hardly in question. The source material may have dated from last century, is my thought. Donald, what source material did you use? Where does the speculation about the deified human Horus come from? Love is the law, love under will. Michelle ____________________________________________________________________________ The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind. William Blake catzlaff@95net.com ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________...oooOOO---thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To subscribe send: 'subscribe thelema93-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe send: 'unsubscribe thelema93-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven