Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.com!news.kc.rr.com!typhoon.kc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mr. Faust Newsgroups: alt.satanism Subject: Re: Satanism Real and Imagined Message-ID: <4hnnkt0nu6o5p2rn346lahqqcoq116bql9@4ax.com> References: <20010701131532.03472.00003164@ng-fi1.aol.com> <20010710060344.04000.00003085@ng-mc1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 117 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:15:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.28.144.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.kc.rr.com 994828512 65.28.144.7 (Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:15:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:15:12 CDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.satanism:179452 First Angellica, The main problem with your logic is the assumption that "god" and Satan equate to good and evil. this is not the case. I recall a tale of catholic missionaries traveling to the arctic. When they warned of hell and described it as having lakes of fire, the natives couldn't wait to get there. I guess when you live in an igloo and have to fish through a hole in the ice just to survive, lakes of fire sound pretty inviting. I would submit that the belief in "god" is due to the fact that most people are intelligent enough to realize that their lives are lacking something, but do not have the force of will to fill that void on their own. Belief in a celestial father figure who will comfort them in their time of need and protect them is comforting. Because they lack the will to take charge of their miserable existence, they find a need to blame someone else for their misfortunes. They would never think to take responsibility for themselves, and since they are to self-centered to admit that any other human being could affect their lives, the only remaining option is that "god" must be responsible. But since their belief in "god" stems from a need to be secure, they can not fathom that their "god" could do these terrible things. Hence, the "devil" must be at work. Now that I have taken the time to explain the god/Satan mentality, I will tell you why it is irrelevant. Satanists don't believe in Satan (or "god") as an anthropomorphic being. The next question people always ask next is the old, "If you don't believe in the devil, why call it Satanism." the reasons are many. I'll name a few. Direct from our Headquarters in New York, New York... TOP TEN REASONS TO CALL IT SATANISM: 10) Because we choose to identify with the imagery of the one being in all of existence able to stand up to your "god" and say "FUCK YOU!" 9) Because... "Evil will always triumph over good, because good is stupid." (Dark Helmet, Space Balls) 8) Because Luciferianism is too hard to spell & reminds us of those guys with the orange sashes in the airport that pass out the fake flowers 7) Because we've seen" Angel Heart" & Robert DeNiro was just too cool! 6) Because the only reason to turn the other cheek is to put more power behind a right hook. 5) Because we've actually read your bible. 4) Because we believe the only way to salvation is through the death of a human being and then ritualistically consuming his body and blood... Oh wait... That's what xtian's do... never mind. 3) Because "Hail Satan !" just rolls off of the tongue. 2) Because we actually enjoy answering this question ad nauseum. And the number one reason to call it Satanism... BECAUSE IT PISSES PEOPLE OFF !!! And there is nothing Satanists love more than pissing off the pretentious zealots of the world. Now for Mr. H. I must admit that my curiosity has gotten the best of me. What holes? Which Representative? What church? Mr. Faust Ordo Serpentis Argentum "Give a man a torch and he will be warm for a day, but light a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life." -Terry Pratchet Need an ORG of your very own? Check out what McSatan's has to offer... www.geocities.com/pleasedrivethru You deserve an ORG today. On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:21:04 GMT, "Mr H" wrote: > >"Angellica" wrote in message >news:20010710060344.04000.00003085@ng-mc1.aol.com... >> how can there be a satan without a god >> I believe there is no god there for there shall be no satan you cannot >have >> good without evil and vise versa >> I am a very open minded individual if you would like to state your opinion >i >> will take into consideration that you may have an intresting point but i >desire >> to be shown proof of exsistance or at least an intellegent responce that >would >> make me think on the subject a little harder > >You're wasting your time. I used to be a Satanist until I realised the >holes in their little religion. I have been in touch with a representative >of the church but she flatly refused to engage in any intelligent debate >whatsoever. In fact, she resorted to name-calling and other such nonsense. >We did that in school! > >In short, then, if you can get some intelligent debate out of the Satanists >here then you've been lucky indeed. I would bet that those people, if they >exist at all, will never climb the ranks of the church if the representative >I spoke to is anything to go by. >