From zazas-l-owner@hollyfeld.org Sat Nov 1 13:30:00 1997 Received: from veracruz-gw.customer.itw.net (veracruz-gw.customer.ITW.NET [208.211.5.42]) by bay2.bjt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19271 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:29:59 -0800 Received: from www.hollyfeld.org ([204.130.199.143]) by veracruz-gw.customer.itw.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA49 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:37:23 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA26483 for zazas-l-outgoing; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:23:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.hollyfeld.org: majordom set sender to owner-zazas-l@hollyfeld.org using -f Received: from bay2.bjt.net (bay2.bjt.net [207.201.6.2]) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA26480 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:23:11 -0500 Received: from bay1.bjt.net (tyagi@bay1.bjt.net [207.201.6.1]) by bay2.bjt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19089 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:13:40 -0800 Received: (from tyagi@localhost) by bay1.bjt.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id NAA11704 for zazas-l@hollyfeld.org; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:13:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199711012113.NAA11704@bay1.bjt.net> Subject: (Z) Sufism and Satanism (3 of 3) To: zazas-l@hollyfeld.org (ZAZAS-L Satanist Elist) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:13:39 -0800 (PST) From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) Orientation: House of Kaos, St. Joseph, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-zazas-l@hollyfeld.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: zazas-l@hollyfeld.org Status: RO 49971101 aa2 Hail Satan! NULatix the last in a series of 3 posts I made to the tariqas elist for discussion of Sufism. they include a glimpse of Satanism which is seldom voiced in the culture of modern Satanism, let alone amongst Sufis or Western religious. commentary/inquiry welcomed and encouraged in zazas-l. blessed beast! nocTifer tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com --------------------------- To: tariqas@world.std.com Subject: Satan, the Shadow, and Maturation (was all the comments on Satan) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (haramullah) assalam alaykum, my kin. "Jacquie Weller" : # Is it not true that Satan, the Angel lucifer was cast out of heaven by # God... true in what sense? the stories about Satan are rather new in comparison to the ancient scriptures. where history is concerned it is difficult to substantiate the association of "Lucifer" with anything but popular Christian motifs and the Book of Isaiah's mention of the King of Babylon. the stories about angels cast out of heaven are most often originally derived from the Book of Enoch and its variations. in these texts the rebel angel is called 'Azazel' and 'Semyaza' and has little or nothing to do with any 'Lucifer' or any named 'Satan'. and yet, why do we find these stories compelling? what is their deeper implication that we might retain what is a fictionalized account of an historic incident? I suggest that it is due to the nature of the Beast, that our first instinct is to castigate, condemn and banish that which we find objectionable. a popular song by the band Genesis says it well: you kill what you fear and you fear what you don't understand. unable to kill the shadow, the uncontrolled, the wild, Satan, many of us would prefer to banish, ignore and recharacterize this entity, whose living correlates (wilderness) are now subject to the worst torture and destruction humans can muster (out of greed and fear). in this sense Satan, our chosen Adversary, the light-bringing angel of the wild world, has indeed been cast out of our lives by what we mistakenly identify as 'Allah'. and yet Allah is the Most Compassionate, the Most Beneficent. even to those whom we fear and loathe Allah offers Paradise, and, standing at Hir feet, we do best to let their relationship mature of its own and refrain from judgement completely, being wary of the wild forces of the world and leaving the possibility open that we may reconcile with what we take to be evil. # ...is it not true that the Lord's Prayer specifically ask for God's # will (or Allah's will to be done on earth as it is in heaven). this may well be true, though of what this will consists and how this relates to Satan I think is a very complex subject. is the will of humankind different than the will of Allah? can they ever coincide? can the will of Allah change, like winds in a storm? when does firm opposition become mercy? so many confusing issues, how are we to arrive at any certainty? # ...a warriar of Allah would recognize that good overcomes evil. the knowledge of good and evil is a curse. as the Old Boy once said, knowing beauty, we create ugliness. so knowing good we create evil. the winds of Allah blow through all the cosmos, and yet we take some to be 'ill' and some to be 'fortunate'. the sage says 'so be it' and 'this too shall pass'. # ...We are all commanded to love...even though we have much to learn # about what love is. and yet love cannot *be* commanded. it must arise naturally or it is false, a sham, a deception, confused and adding to the jumble that we already take love to be in our error. # ...you have to be courageous about love and it is not always a # feel good rose garden and a life of leisure. for this reason I allow my love of the dark, of the shadow, of myself, and of the wild nature (Satan) to shine forth in a black flame of perfect passion. there will be objections, there will be condemnation, criticism, claims of falsity and delusion. all these I acknowledge and go on loving That which humanity otherwise shuns and deplores. the condemned are my charge, to the end of time I will be Allah's Beloved in whatever form SHe has chosen. # I do not worship Satan. I cannot say Hail Satan. no one is asking you to do these things as I understand it. # ...I can recognize that I have been my own enemy and transcend the # shadow self through compassion and mercy. in the Jungian sense we never transcend our shadow, since the shadow is a polar, unconscious body of rejected elements we cannot bring ourselves to acknowledge, accept and love. only through the integration of these forgotten and castigated elements can we begin to resolve ourselves and truly engage unconditional compassion. this begins in the midst of what we might take to be 'Hell', the encounter with the Adversary with whom we may have grappled so long and so hard in the past that we have begun to believe our own projections and imaginings, let alone those of society. guardedly, we can begin to see Satan for what SHe is rather than what our fear paints Hir face to be. with careful attention, we can begin to see that SHe is an important part of us, has a role to play in the maturation of our personality, and transform both of us in a gesture of quiet accord. peace be with you, haramullah tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com ---------------------------- (3 of 3) ____________...oooOOO---zazas-l@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To subscribe send: 'subscribe zazas-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe send: 'unsubscribe zazas-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven