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From: djones@rogue.cc.or.us (David R. Jones)
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Subject: Re: Lucifer, Bael, and Astaroth Hierarchy?
Date: 27 Aug 2001 11:56:51 -0700
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Do what thou wilt 

Shall be the whole of the Law.

Care Poke

> *******Come on, Big Hair, you know better than that! (Sorry our
> Message Board is down on the web site). Bael is Baal, the Thunder God
> and the Horned God of the Witches (Bless 'um), Astaroth is Astarte the
> Love Goddess, and Lucifer is "The Light Bringer" 

Of course you are on the right track Poke but I think you are
mistaking relationship (etymological and otherwise) for identity. 
Compare Jesus and Joshua for instance, they not the same in all
contexts.

Astaroth is a city, almost certainly one dedicated to Astarte but not
strictly identical.

Deuteronomy 1:4 After he had slain Sihon the king of the Amorites,
which dwelt in Heshbon, and Og the king of Bashan, which dwelt at
Astaroth in Edrei:

Baal vs. Bael is a more problematic issue because Beth often functions
as the definitive article and thus with EL can simply mean the God. 
There is some debate amongst scholars of Semitic etymology whether the
God Baal is simply a corruption by the Hebrew editors to distinguish
Yahweh who is often addressed in this manner as the God from the
competing tribal gods of the vicinity.

As for Lucifer this is one of the common myths attached to him but he
is not the only one given this rank in the often-confusing politics of
Hell.

On a side note Lucifer is often identified with both Uriel as being
the Angel of Light and with Christ because of Revelation 22:16 I 
Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.

Love is the 
law, love under will.

David R. Jones aka ^333^

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Subject: Re: Lucifer, Bael, and Astaroth Hierarchy?
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Do what thou wilt 

Shall be the whole of the Law.

Care Poke

> *******Come on, Big Hair, you know better than that! (Sorry our
> Message Board is down on the web site). Bael is Baal, the Thunder God
> and the Horned God of the Witches (Bless 'um), Astaroth is Astarte the
> Love Goddess, and Lucifer is "The Light Bringer" 

Of course you are on the right track Poke but I think you are
mistaking relationship (etymological and otherwise) for identity. 
Compare Jesus and Joshua for instance, they not the same in all
contexts.

Astaroth is a city, almost certainly one dedicated to Astarte but not
strictly identical.

Deuteronomy 1:4 After he had slain Sihon the king of the Amorites,
which dwelt in Heshbon, and Og the king of Bashan, which dwelt at
Astaroth in Edrei:

Baal vs. Bael is a more problematic issue because Beth often functions
as the definitive article and thus with EL can simply mean the God. 
There is some debate amongst scholars of Semitic etymology whether the
God Baal is simply a corruption by the Hebrew editors to distinguish
Yahweh who is often addressed in this manner as the God from the
competing tribal gods of the vicinity.

As for Lucifer this is one of the common myths attached to him but he
is not the only one given this rank in the often-confusing politics of
Hell.

On a side note Lucifer is often identified with both Uriel as being
the Angel of Light and with Christ because of Revelation 22:16 I 
Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.

Love is the 
law, love under will.

David R. Jones aka ^333^