Path: ultra.sonic.net!jupiter.dnai.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sandymac.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: sandymac@sandymac.demon.co.uk (Alexander Maclennan) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.thelema,alt.non.racism,alt.occult Subject: Re: Crowley and the Volkish Movement (was Re: English Qaballa ...) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:16:22 GMT Organization: disorganised Message-ID: References: <199812292047.MAA02456@bolt.sonic.net> <3689628A.159A@luckymojo.com> <199812311521.HAA27593@bolt.sonic.net> <368BD226.473F@luckymojo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sandymac.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sandymac.demon.co.uk:158.152.14.157 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915144966 nnrp-12:16986 NO-IDENT sandymac.demon.co.uk:158.152.14.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Lines: 32 Xref: ultra.sonic.net alt.magick:130509 alt.magick.tyagi:15076 catherine yronwode wrote: >> > The O. T. O. has "secret documents...whose origin is German"? Can you > substantiate this or cite a reference? What are these documents? How is > their German "origin" explained? Crowley`s Autohagiography on p765 gives an account of the founding of the OTO in nineteeth century Germany by Kark Kellner. It was a derivative of freemasonry with gnostic catholic and martinist elements. By 1912 it had been written about in the masonic journal oriflamme and had branches in several countries. In 1912 Crowley had been visited by the then head of the OTO Theodor Reuss who accused him of publishing their central secret as the Star Sapphire in the Book of Lies. Crowley apparently convinced him that he had reached the secret matter independently. Reuss then admitted him to the OTO and made him its head in the UK Crowley largely rewrote their rituals after this. There is some doubt about Crowley`s account of this as in 1912 when it is said to occur, the Book of Lies was not yet published. The Sprengel lady and her cypher manuscript are widely thought to have been entirely fictional and concocted by some of the founding fathers of the GD as a foundation myth. -- Alexander MacLennan sandymac@sandymac.demon.co.uk