Path: ultra.sonic.net!news From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nigris (333)) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.thelema,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage Subject: Thelemic Thelemic Greetings Date: 24 Jul 1999 02:02:49 -0700 Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 135 Message-ID: <7nbvfp$eao@bolt.sonic.net> Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bolt.sonic.net X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: ultra.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:17492 alt.magick:152133 talk.religion.misc:293682 talk.religion.newage:104941 49990521 IIIom Hail Satan! a correspondent wrote: # Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law! The word of Sin is Restriction! Paul Hume: # >One aspect of the proper response to a "trog" is to lose the word # >"trog." yeah, I can see it now: oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were a TROGLODYTE (one who is sheltered and ignorant of the Law of Thelema and its beauty). please allow me to inform you that there is no Law beyond 'do what thou wilt' and if you happen to say 'nay' I may have to kill you according to the standards of Oz. LOL -- hard and low enough? # ...when confronted with a person whose immediate reaction # towards me and my religion is to accuse me of plagiarism, # tell the entire list I'm on that my religion is the most evil # manifestation in the world, insult my spiritual beliefs by # saying that they're all wrong and proceed to break them down # with illogic and "explain" to the list the error of my ways # and beliefs.... my dictionary's definition of Troglodyte # (a person exhibiting outmoded or reactionary ideas) seems # pretty fucking apt. ah but now we get to the meat of the discussion. what those who have been indoctrinated to the Crowleyan cult fail to understand is that these Thelemic Greetings are INTENTIONAL DISRUPTORS. they jar and confuse the mind of the troglodyte. as soon as they begin to be used as slogans, passwords, the effective equivalent of 'Hi!' and 'How are you?', then they lose this cutting edge and rather assist the creation of NEW troglodytes (you know who you are). you can see this process of Thelemic Greeting-cum-slogan in the Satanist community (of which the Crowleyan is in a real sense the precursor) where shouts of 'Hail Satan!' have now become the equivalent of 'Hi!' and 'How are you!' and people get *upset* when the listener takes their Thelemic Greeting as something offensive, rude, and damned objectionable based on the hir troglodytic paradigms. in fact we need *Thelemic* Thelemic Greetings, which is why I created 'E6!' (the inversion of '93!') and responses like 'The word of Sin is Restriction.' rather than 'Love is the law, love under will.' (because the troglodytic Thelemites had begun to presume that the Law was only 'do what God wilt' since 'thou' was obviously God or some supreme authority other than the individual). inversions to the cult-speak, despoilations of the Evul Book, blossoming centres of pestilence which deflower themselves -- here is genius. so I think it is very wrong-headed and troglodytic to go about proclaiming the Law to everyone one meets and NOT expecting outrage, fury, and general battle. when I set about such a proclamation in 1993 (starting all my email and usenet sendings and many of my personal interactions offline with 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.') not only did I sometimes receive shouts of dismay (not half as strong a reaction as 'Hail Satan!' mind you, so this says something about the culture in which I live), but there were also times when I engaged a very spirited and challenging discussion/debate on the basis for this very statement and what it might mean. this was what I take to mean 'giving the Law to everyone I meet'. to expect passive and tolerant acceptance of our proclamation is to forget the very real and important value which Thelemic Greetings have for our species, especially when they are not merely selected for their outrage quality but have some deeper significance which can follow in the exchange. # If I'm not "allowed" to refer to cretins who attack me, # publically and unprovoked, in insulting terms, I don't # want to be part of your tea party, Paul.... my brother Paul wouldn't try to disallow you, as you probably know by now, but he may object loudly and try to get you to convert the troglodyte to Thelema using less insulting methods. :> # I'm just not politically correct enough to be nicey-nice to people # who shit on me. If that's your trip, oh well. isn't that a part of the Law of Thelema? there are all these Duty things that specify how to treat the troglodytes, the animals, the Stars what don't know their head from a hole in the ground. it is almost chivalric or something. compassion? oh but there's that "hit 'em low and hard" crap too. these carnie prophets, you just can't get them to be consistent ("don't kill animals or babies" but "select the proper human sacrifice" from LaVey etc.). # (and the most recent fucking troglodyte cunt to pull this # crap was on a Sacred Sexuality list, no less. I'm feeling # pretty intolerant in the face of intolerance and I'll call # a spade a spade and a Trog a Trog.) oh but I do admire your spirit. I know the feeling. fucking let them take my grief and see if they still want to mess with me, dammit! but is this in conformity with the (true!) will? with the Law of Thelema? can we break that Law by calling people troglodytes? will we be fined? dismembered? seriously, I really do think that all of these things are a part of the Great Martyrdom Cult's antics. there is a long history of doing outrageous and liberating things in the name of religion and causing social upheaval and then the next generation comes along and expects it to be taken seriously. suddenly the thing done has *eternal* (rather than contextual) value and the cult expects it to be done for membership, as a part of identity, or as a divine commandment. religious addiction is what I'd call it, especially where the individual begins to think that this unwanted-attention-getting behavior is an important part of hir spiritual path and complains about their repercussions in the world without some connection to the very valuable and laudable tradition of martyrdom for the cause of liberation from which it was spawned and to which it owes a debt of gratitude. Invoke me under your stars, blessed beast! nagasiva@luckymojo.com 333 -- emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired