Path: ultra.sonic.net!news From: tyagi@arkaotika.abyss.com (tyaginator) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: BHeidrick: Pentagram Ritual and History Date: 27 Mar 1999 00:48:30 -0800 Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7di60u$i76@bolt.sonic.net> Reply-To: heidrick@WELL.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: bolt.sonic.net X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: ultra.sonic.net alt.magick:139543 alt.magick.tyagi:16523 [from thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org: Bill Heidrick ] 93, DTN wrote: >Crowley's Thelemic variant includes the >touching of the breast and saying of "Aiwass" or the name of your own HGA, >if you know it. The Qabalistic Cross motions extend the upright of the >cross downward, in Crowley's case to the Muladhara chakra point, -- not a >part of the Roman Catholic sign of the cross. All this is derived from a >hint dropped in Eliphas Levi's writings. > >I was curious as to the "Thelemic variant" you refer to. I am unaware of a 'Thelemic' variant >that we can trace directly to Crowley of the LBR This method was related by Grady McMurtry, who stated that Crowley so instructed him in the 1940's e.v. >In fact there is a denial of such a practice: "At the end of his >career Crowley did not teach students to use Aiwass at the heart center in the Lesser Banishing Ritual, >although he was reported to have demonstrated the ritual in this fashion as late as the mid-1940s." Exactly so, demonstrated to Grady McMurtry. >This question also applies to the "Muladhara chakra point" brought up. No secret there. As far down as one can conveniently reach on the mid-line -- politely the Muladhara instead of the asshole. :-) >Additionally, I'd like to >know how someone determines the LBR of Liber O as being un-"Thelemic". Not un-Thelemic, just pre-Crowleyian. Crowley's added bit about Aiwass or HGA can be qualified as "the Thelemic version" in the sense that he added it. 93 93/93 Bill EOF -- tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com; http://www.abyss.com/tokus (emailed replies may be posted); cc me your replies see also http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatspells.html