Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: raesearch96@yahoo.co.uk (RAE BOONE) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.tarot,alt.magick,alt.thelema Subject: Re: Crowley's 777 and Tarot Date: 9 Jul 2003 06:05:26 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 56 Message-ID: <51419845.0307090505.288a47e2@posting.google.com> References: <3EFB0DAB.7020004@cox.net> <%JFKa.5792$%3.279397@typhoon.sonic.net> <3EFB8957.9040201@cox.net> <3EFC7D4A.2050607@cox.net> <3EFE1CCA.9F64ED0F@luckymojo.com> <3F0B9BBA.55562E1@luckymojo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.37.3.175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1057755927 19661 127.0.0.1 (9 Jul 2003 13:05:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 2003 13:05:27 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:40336 alt.pagan.magick:37747 alt.tarot:117689 alt.magick:351367 For all Crowley's preaching about the rights of Man he seems to advocate the murder of anyone who more or less disagrees with anyone in Liber Oz. Let's face it, if you weren't part of the nobility or at least possess a title, Crowley was the kind of individual who would probably consider you beneath his attention. His attitude to his neighbours can be surmised from reports from people who remember his living at Boleskine, featured in a recent BBC radio Scotland radio sho) who report him as regularly firing his shotgun during funerals in the village in order to create a nuisance and disturb the peace. Perhaps his succes in becoming a god required the sacrifice of the more human qualities typically associated with enlightened people. Or perhaps he was really just a sad bastard. Rae catherine yronwode wrote in message news:<3F0B9BBA.55562E1@luckymojo.com>... > mika wrote: > > > > catherine yronwode wrote > > > > > Lining up those names gives me a smile -- Crowley the > > > misogynist and racial bigot relied on the co-authorship, > > > editorial skills, and publishing acumen of women and Jews to > > > a remarkable degree. :-) > > > > Well then maybe he wasn't the misogynist or racial bigot that > > you think he was. > > Alas, that does not make a good case. > > Do you ever read The New Yorker magazine? There was a > fascinating article in there a few weeks ago on how Gertrude > Stein and her lover Alice B. Toklas sat out the Nazi > invasion of France and the deportation of Jews from France > to Germany under the Vichy government by befriending a > particularly vile anti-Jew and anti-Freemason named Bernard > Fay. After the war Fay was convicted of complicity in the > deaths of about five hundred people -- but he had seemingly > adopted Stein and Toklas as his "pet" Jewish-lesbian couple > and allowed them to live in safety. Check it out and you > will understand how a man can loathe people based on race, > gender, or beliefs and yet make exceptions for a few such > people whom he lets survive on his sufferance. > > I am not saying that Crowley was the moral equivalent to Fay > (Crowley was only an armchair racist and misogynist, after > all, not a government official with the power of life or > death in his hands) -- but in the ambiguous moral vacuum in > which a Fay can exist, there is plenty of room for a morally > vacant Crowley. > > cat yronwode > > Herb and Root Magic > http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodooherbmagic.html