Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!wn11feed!wn14feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3E2365D1.136120CA@slip.net> From: "Fr. A.o.C." Organization: Temple of the Quintupal Triplicity X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.order,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.thelema,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Re: Initiation (OSOGD) References: <3D9BFF4B.26D0DF5F@address.com> <3DA64F4F.C1EC119B@address.com> <3E11F4AC.FAE01BC@slip.net> <3E180FDB.A6170102@slip.net> <3E1C5871.C233DDE@slip.net> <3E1F2B8D.B003C3AD@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 90 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.233.48.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1042507218 12.233.48.58 (Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:20:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:20:18 GMT Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:20:18 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:332188 alt.magick.order:7084 alt.magick.tyagi:35697 alt.pagan.magick:35477 SwAmI wrote: > Would you mind helping me to understand it then? Sure, but this is the last time. After this you're on your own, because to go any further is futile. You've already made up your mind, so I will stop confusing you with the facts. III,51: With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross. III,52: I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him. III,53: With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din. "Peck at the eyes of Jesus", etc. is a criticism of organized Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism. Yes, RHK is not being nice. Frankly, I don't think you've studied much at all of comparative religion, any more than you've studied Thelema. Most religious writing is filled with criticism of other religions. Many religions and most sects begin as reform movements, criticizing, sometimes in very strong terms, the others. Buddhism is no exception. Neither is Christianity, which came "not to bring peace, but a Sword." As I've said repeatedly, you are taking the passages out of context. Even after I explain the context to you, you continue to take it out of context in exactly the same way, and argue from the same position that has already been disposed of. Here it is one more time in simple words: in Liber AL, "Jesus" is not an emblem of initiation or of an Aspirant but of a failed religious and political system. I do not see in Jesus or his teaching any religion I would want in my house. Frankly I doubt it has any of the 'light' attributed to it anymore (if it ever really did, especially after Saul of Tarsus got ahold of it), save that fell corona shared by Evil. You are confusing a creed with the 'ineffable light', the same thing that killed what ever good was once in Christianity. Creeds are a technique of brainwashing, whether Christian, Islamic, Hindu or Buddhist. So, our Lord of Liberation tears at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross and flaps his wings in the face of Mohammed in criticism of their WORLD-VIEW, and tears at the flesh of the Hindu, Buddhist, Mongol and Din in criticism of their RELATIONSHIP TO THE BODY (Yes, Buddhists were included on RHK's "hit list" -- happy now?) Or at least this is one way to read it -- the Comment you so scrupulously follow says that each person must interpret the Book "each for himself". Being Polytheist, we may admit of a plurality of interpretations. Being Post-Modern, we can understand that there is no choice but a plurality of meanings. If you still don't get it, then you should go back and study what has already been said. Since you claim to have read our 0=0 ritual and 'found' Christian symbolism in it, perhaps you may have also noticed that our oaths do not contain any admonition to give "reverence" to any religion at all. We seek True Will, it's guise is irrelevant. The guide to correct behavior is the True Will, as revealed by one's own Divine Genius. Since I/we are not monotheists, and therefore don't have a creed that says what we are, there is no need to admonish our Aspirants. They will take the Good and True where ever they find it. Only those hamstrung by a monotheistic tradition would need the admonition to look beyond its petty boundaries. Therefore this entire argument is moot, but I thought I'd indulge you, on the off chance you were actually sincere in wanting to learn something, and for the sake of any third party who might be taken in by your 'arguments'. My poor faith has been dashed, but I promise not to get too upset about it. Meanwhile, you can congratulate yourself on your cleverness at whipping up specious, time wasting arguments. Since you proclaimed that you have no desire to learn or study anything for fear of "more bullshit to get cluttered in my head", I don't see why I should bother any further. And no, I don't care if you care that you look silly. That was for anyone else listening who might have been silly enough you seriously. If Liber AL made you "ill", then by all means you should stay far away from it. It has that effect on the weak, the timid and the slaves. Heck, it had that effect on Crowley at first too, Buddhist that he was. Save yourself the anguish. Don't worry. Be happy. - Fr. A.o.C. An English judge, growing weary of the barrister's long-winded summation, leaned over the bench and remarked, "I've heard your arguments, Sir Geoffrey, and I am none the wiser!" Sir Geoffrey responded, "That may be, Milord, but at least you're better informed!"