Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.thelema,alt.magick.order,alt.magick.tyagi,talk.religion.misc,alt.pagan Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.thelema,alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc Subject: Thelema a Christian Heresy? References: <9a20611e.0302190918.477460a3@posting.google.com> From: 333 Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 51 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:53:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1045932834 208.201.242.18 (Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:53:54 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:53:54 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:338243 alt.magick.order:7246 alt.magick.tyagi:37210 talk.religion.misc:395011 alt.pagan:340067 50030222 VII uncited: >>>>> You are comparing Thelema with Christianity? >>>>> Now that's wierd shit man. religions ought to be compared against one another. there are numerous adherents of what they call 'Thelema' who believe it a religion and they are well-supported in their contentions. Sir IF: >>>> Thelema is a Christian heresy. is there something particularly Christian about Thelema? it does seem to revolve somewhat around a scripture intending itself as a Religion of the Book in the same way. prophets are a part of its language and social stratification. beyond this? I don't notice any messiahs per se, though its chief proponent (Crowley) appears to have had a fixation on Christian ideas and perverts or twists them to his desired effects quite often. "Kadu Flyer" : > The prophet of Thelema saw himself as superceding the mores, > teachings, etc of the Christian era. the Piscean, agreed. > The Aeons (whatever validity there might remain in such a > concept ... but what the hey; let's not dare be controversial > about this) aren't exclusive to one another - they are still > in the same ballpark and have some contextual and thematic > links: Matriarchy leading to Partiarchy followed by an aeon > of Youth culture makes some sense. is it supported by modern anthropology and archaeology? > Thelema however is considered heretical to the Christian faith! why? because the (final?) prophet of Thelema dresses up in Beastly costumes and issues proclamations about his love for Babalon, puts naked women on altars, sexual fluids in hosts, and condemns 'Mary Inviolate' in line with his hatred of the weaker sex? because he criticized the Black Brotherhood of the Jesuits as Cosmic Losers, trapped in Towers of their ego and falling in line with a religion whose adherents he hated but whose ideals he adored? strict categorization of heresy by the RCs does not include Thelema by name, but I don't think Sir IF meant it this way. ;> 333