Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!well!heidrick From: heidrick@well.sf.ca.us (Bill Heidrick) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: Typhonian vs. Caliphate OTO Date: 14 Nov 1995 02:44:33 GMT Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 41 Message-ID: <488vqh$rdn@nkosi.well.com> References: <47uf0p$3tv@nkosi.well.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: well.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) mandox@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Mogg Morgan") writes: >This is precisely my argument. The Caliphate's 'war' on the typhonian, if succesful, which I >hope it won't be, has the danger of identifying thelema too closely with one type of thelemic >order. Lets not forget, that the famous federal court ruling, of which you are so proud, gave >supposedly trademark rights to "OTO" and "Thelema" No trademark right to Thelema, except in conjunction with "Publishing" or "Publications" as a business name. The trademark right to "OTO" was likewise a proper name for a legal entity, established with the other marks and titles of OTO as being in use by one particular organization to distinguish itself from other, similar organizations. >OTO's degree structure pre- >> dates the aeon of Horus and Liber AL. Crowley looked at it and chose to >> recognize the three grades in the system, using Reuss' constitution of >> 1906 and 1917 e.v. as a basis for seeing the system. Crowley did not >> change the structure, merely commented on it. >clause 10 of your constitution reads: >'.our holy Order has but Three True Grades; as it is written in the Book of the Law: The >Hermit, The Lover, and the Man of Earth'. No, it doesn't. That's paragraph 2 of Crowley's Liber 194, "An Intimation with Reference to the Constitution of the Order". Crowley broke up the 1917 e.v. Constitution into three commented libers, intended to make it simple and impliment his approach to it. In so doing, A.C. had no intention or effect of altering the O.T.O. Constitution. He saw the Three Grades in the pattern of the OTO, ultimately considering Minerval through PI as Man of Earth, KEW as transitional, Vth through VIIth as Lovers and VIIIth to Xth as Hermit. These points are also brought into the modern Bylaws. There is another sense in which the degrees above IIIrd are considered elaborations and commentary on Minerval through IIIrd, in line with the Masonic influence on OTO. This is yet another reason why I try to avoid calling OTO degrees "grades" -- since the latter term has other meanings. 93 93/93 Bill Heidrick