Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!pacbell.com!well!heidrick From: heidrick@well.sf.ca.us (Bill Heidrick) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.chaos,alt.magick.order,alt.magick.sex,alt.thelema,alt.mythology,talk.religion.newage,alt.freemasonry,alt.folklore.urban,alt.evil,alt.christnet,alt.sufi Subject: Re: Order Pretentions and Claims (Was Re: New O.T.O. founded!) Date: 2 May 1996 17:03:16 GMT Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4mapsk$2ct@nkosi.well.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: well.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Xref: shell.portal.com alt.magick.tyagi:7999 alt.magick:73030 alt.magick.chaos:7546 alt.magick.order:1279 alt.magick.sex:7193 alt.mythology:26851 talk.religion.newage:51137 alt.freemasonry:14774 alt.folklore.urban:273058 alt.evil:25417 alt.christnet:103352 alt.sufi:1083 93, xiwangmu wrote >I do not see the pretentiousness here. How is it, my brother, that Bill >or any other may determine what is the will of another? Are there sure- >fire tests or common guidelines? Perhaps a lesson is in order? Simple. You listen to what they say their will is. If it makes sense, give them the benefit of the doubt. If it doesn't, don't. It's not determination of another's will, but it is consideration of their words and/or deeds as they may impinge upon you. To the extent the other person is telling the truth as they perceive it, there is some measure possible as to what may not be their knowledge of their own will. Note the negative. Note also that the question is to the expressed knowledge of will by the other person, not what that other person's will may actually be. Speaking of myself, I often discover some aspect of my will by re-assessing what I accomplished versus what I thought I was accomplishing. The quote from my earlier post to Usenet was: "This is simply an example of people failing to recognize their own will(s)," The point is not that I know what the will of another is, but that by common sense in a particular instance a person may be able to recognize a really dumb remark. Fantasy or myth has a useful place, but asserting that a check drawn on no funds in no bank is perfectly good isn't a really bright thing to do when buying things. The wills of the "Freemen" in Montana likely incline toward the things they mostly promote. However, they would appear to be mistaken in some expressed details. Same idea. Knowledge of another's will is like Dionysus' arguments on the divine name; the only way to get anywhere is to deal in what it is not. 93 93/93 Bill