From thelema93-l-owner@bitsy.hollyfeld.org Sun Jul 28 03:17:34 1996 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA02864 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 03:17:33 -0700 Received: from bitsy.hollyfeld.org (bitsy.hollyfeld.org [38.240.235.1]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA15192 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 03:17:01 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA03877 for thelema93-l-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 05:46:48 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03873 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 05:46:41 -0400 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA12284 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 02:40:42 -0700 Received: (tyagi@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id CAA23066 for thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 02:40:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199607280940.CAA23066@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: Caliphate Christianity?? To: thelema93-l@HOLLYFELD.ORG (Thelema93-Listserv) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 02:40:39 -0700 (PDT) From: tyagi@HOUSEOFKAOS.ABYSS.COM (xiwangmu) Orientation: House of Kaos, St. Joseph, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 7650 Sender: owner-thelema93-l@HOLLYFELD.ORG Precedence: bulk reply-to: thelema93-l@bitsy.hollyfeld.org Status: RO kaliyuga 49960728 AA1 the revolution ensues! Do what you please, for that is my Law. Hail Satan! this elist has been rather quiet of late, and since this evening while doing research in preparation of a Jehovah's Witness Qabalah I have come across a few things which inspired a brainstorm, I send it your way, as tempered and respectful as I am able, with query and sincerety. first the questions, appending indicators, a few quotes for spice, and a brief note. ----- ----- is the Caliphate OTO founded on deception and the undermining of Christian religious establishment, or is it a revisitation of the Old Aeon?? (likely not a very fair question :>) ----- ----- let me play out the indicators and you can tell me what you think of them in response. I'm sure the Defenders of the Faith may wish to preserve the sanctity of the Order for the benefit of MANkind (I might, were I not writing up this challenge to my kin!). * Hymenaeus - Biblical, an apostate, with Philetus "Hymenaeus,... *(Gd.) -- God of marriage; hymenael; wedding song; nuptuals*. "A professing Christian who had thrown aside his faith and good conscience, and whom Paul had 'delivered unto Satan,' along with Alexander, 'that they might be taught not to blaspheme' (I Tim. 1:20). Hymenaeus and Philetus, by their error, had succeeded in over-throwing the faith of some others (II Tim. 2:17). "*Meta.* A seemingly religious and spiritual thought activity in consciousness that unifies itself with worldly reasonings and spiritual truths, and with the thoughts and desires of the outer man. This is known as the marriage of the church with the world; it leads the individual away from the Christ Tuth, into apostasy and adversity." _Metaphysical Bible Dictionary_, 1931, Unity School of Christianity, pp. 290-1. ________________________________________________ * Patriarch - attached to a Church, 'gnostic catholic', whose 'Mass' must remain intacta, inclusive of 'deacon', 'priest' and 'priestess' * Horus - solar being categorized with Jesus (Tiphareth) * Book of the Law - a meaning of "Torah", Hebrew scripture * Hebrew - obsession with Hebrew gematria and magick * Baphomet - derived of a Christian knighthood; possibly associated with muslims/sufis ('mahomet') and definite links to a former Catholic deacon (Eliphas Levi) * Satanism - its association with the Order repudiated by an OTO Officer in public; as Mr. Crowley by he and other members, whose (AC's) texts quite obviously reek of Satanism and have helped inspire the modern formalized (org) versions to great extent (LaVey/Aquino/others); no subsequent discussion about it here or in Usenet, just a challenge and withdraw, hesitantly giving ground after having ridiculed the association in apparent bias or offense at the suggestion * Authority - various private complaints I have heard from Order members regarding the centraliza- tion of the Order's authority, handling matters via appeal to the Grand Lodge rather than effecting resolution at the local bodies; maintaining traditional Christian hierarchies rather than supporting arguably Thelemic ideals of anarchism or other political alternatives ('anarchy' tends to be misconstrued and rendered popularly as 'chaos', by Order members in public * Masonry - traditionally patriarchal secrecy-based Judeo-christian mysticism, now degenerated to fraternal socialization-schemes * Conformity - residing firmly within the law of the land of a Christian-dominated culture, supporting the authorities in continuance of laws which admittedly even the ACLU finds presently difficult to oppose regarding ingestion of substances and their relationship to religion * Cultishness - a 'dissent = disloyalty' mentality evinced by some membership (in regards at least to my personal involvements relating to Order oaths and a previous circumstance including the possibility of exposing King's materials to Usenet forums -- presumption of guilt or 'breakage of oaths' and of my intent of this exposure by an OTO Officer and other members prior to serious inquiries in a hearing of all the facts of the matter) (see below for more detail on this*) disassociation from those whose practices take them outside the doctrines of the Order Officers such as those of the Typhonians, Satanists and other 'false OTO organizations'. have I made a decent beginning case for 'Caliphate Christianity'?? commentary/critique encouraged, my kin. ======================================= * NOTE * my personal involvement with the OTO is a discipline, as I have always made clear to my initiators. I tend to dislike organizations, especially religious, and have personal vows which make oaths of secrecy impossible (though concealment is a value which I uphold as regards initiation rites of the Order and other private matters relating to a resistance to sharing personal information with those who have no sincere and compelling need to know it). at several points in public and private channels my 'loyalty' and sincerety of membership ('quality of report') has been called into question by (well-meaning) members and Officers because of my disagreement as regards the *Official interpretation of the scriptures and rituals of the Order itself* (though I was there- after informed, as I had maintained to members previously, that the Official doctrines are not required belief within the Order). one OTO Officer sent me a caustic repudiation at my 'obviously infractious' (my paraphrase) behavior after I had actually attempted (quite foolishly it turned out, though I had no way of knowing this) to *dissuade* further exposure of the sensitive materials in Usenet by posting them. I do not think I ever received an apology upon explaining in full, though have been treated kindly if at times at arm's length by those members thereafter. I was reminded of these affairs and several other incidents in my current review of the book _Crisis of Conscience: The Struggle Between Loyalty to God and Loyalty to One's Religion_, by Raymond Franz, former member, Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. a fascinating read and reminiscent of several cults (extreme religious) which I have investigated locally (including the KCM, Nichiren Shoshu of America and Scientology). I don't wish to imply that the OTO situation is as bad as these cult-groups, yet I do think I have seen what I would call 'hazard signs' as found in religious/occult/esoteric organizations such as I have mentioned above. and the strong focus and following centered upon Crowley does not always assist me in distinguishing 'Thelema' (or more specifically 'Caliphate OTO', I have no exposure to other OTOs) from other, more disempowering 'Old Aeon' constructs. my blatant challenge to that organization and others which present themselves within this forum (few have openly done so with as much aplomb and openness) is in part a measure of their mettle. free love, right now! mu tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com