Path: shell.portal.com!shell.portal.com!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (xiwangmu) Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.black,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick,alt.evil,alt.christnet,alt.blasphemy, Subject: Re: Aleister Crowley and Black Magick (was Re: BlACk MaGiCk) Date: 1 Aug 1996 17:01:03 -0700 Organization: Portal Communications (shell) Lines: 74 Sender: tyagi@shell.portal.com Message-ID: <4trgfv$gaf@jobe.shell.portal.com> References: <6107cc$7227.2d5@news.rockbridge.net>... <4tfeaj$s4r@jobe.shell.portal.com> <4tg9dp$a0b@fizban.solace.mh.se> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (xiwangmu) NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.satanism:48374 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death:35716 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.black:4768 alt.magick.tantra:2404 alt.magick:80191 alt.evil:28232 alt.christnet:127806 alt.blasphemy:11607 49960801 AA1 Do as you please. egill@oden.se (Mathias Karlsson): #> Crowley worked all his life to guide people in uniting with their own #> divinity. He coined himself an enemy of the Great Magician (Satan) and also #> stated the he was on the white path. He further condemned the #> "black brothers" in no uncertain terms. actually he considered himself to be of the Yellow School of magick and was at times very uncertain as regards his relation to 'black magic'. see the following treatise for details on the latter: ftp://ftp.hollyfeld.org/pub/Esoteric/Avidyana/Shaitan/libernigris.fn see _Magick Without Tears_, particularly on page 86 where Crowley identifies his path as that of the 'rehabilitation of the White (stagnant) School' via the vehicle of the Yellow (of which he identified himself therein). #> If you want to call him a satanist just because he was an egotistical #> bastard, I never met the man and accounts which describe him do not impress me as one who was necessarily an egotistical bastard. certainly a wilfull person, tho. #> I see only vague similarities between Crowley and LaVey and his ilk. #> (Even though LaVey isn't all that bad in his Satanic Bible. as most CoSatanists know, LaVey didn't really write most of that work. his expressions are contained more forcefully within _The Church of Satan_, by Barton, and other texts. I agree there are only vague similarities generally, however, and only suggested that Crowley inspired the Satanic movement, not that anyone mimicked him in response. more obvious attempts to replicate the Crowleyan current may be found within the Temple of Set and other GD-reflective Satanic orgs. #> And all this identifying with the Great Beast comes from him only having #> the bible to read and his mother calling him a Beast all the time. Then #> he got into his teens, and the rest is apparent. there is more to it than that, including his intentions in so identifying and how it manifested in his texts. #> And Crowley WAS Gematria given form. There isn't much written by Crowley #> that isn't filled to the brim with Gematria, but if you wish to read him #> and disregard the gematria, be my guest. to be able to read *in* gematria is one thing, but many of the man's poetic and most valued (CLASS A) texts don't involve any sort of gematria at all. #> Do thy will. But get the facts straight first. all this focus on straightness. abraxas@wwa.com (abraxas): # Yeah. What Mathias said. So kiss my gematriac ass Xwimingtao. no thank you. please see the texts I reference above and kiss your own while you've got your head up there. mu -- CC public replies to email - see http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/nagasiva.html (emailed replies may be posted) ---- and check: http://www.paranoia.com/coe/ * * * Asphalta Cementia Metallica Polymera Coyote La Cuckaracha Humana * * *