From tyagi@bjt.net Sun Nov 17 06:42:49 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA23979 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 06:42:46 -0500 Received: by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA11138; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 02:35:01 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 02:35:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199611171035.CAA11138@kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: 9611.thlgtgs.tn From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Status: O >Path: kudonet.com!kudo!tyagi >From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nigris (333)) >Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.magick,alt.magick.moderated,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.order,talk.religion.misc,alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt.pagan.magick >Subject: Thelemic Greetings (was silly 93ing (was Rabelais, etc.)) >Followup-To: alt.satanism,alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.order,talk.religion.misc,alt.consciousness.mysticism,alt.pagan.magick >Date: 17 Nov 1996 01:14:06 -0800 >Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services >Lines: 154 >Sender: tyagi@bjt.net >Approved: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com >Message-ID: >Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nigris (333)) >NNTP-Posting-Host: kudo.kudonet.com >Xref: kudonet.com alt.satanism:46154 alt.magick:76293 alt.magick.moderated:78 alt.magick.tyagi:8166 alt.magick.order:1400 talk.religion.misc:215978 alt.consciousness.mysticism:6643 alt.pagan.magick:1668 [Orig-To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org] 49961108 AA1 Hail Satan! E6 nigris (333): #>I oppose the silly '93'ing for this very reason: the intent behind the #>Thelemic Greetings (cf MWT Letter [18!]) has been lost and is now just a #>means of socialized identification of conformity and involvement. since I sourced the material incorrectly, I spew forth excerpts from the citation in length for your perusal and discussion: _18_ _The Importance of our Conventional Greetings_ Dear Soror, *Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law*. ... ...in "Greetings" I include "saying Will" before set meals, the four daily adorations of the Sun (_Liber CC vel Resh_) and the salutation of Our Lady the Moon.... The practice of _Liber III vel Jugorum_ is the complement of these grouped customs. By sharp physical self-chastisement when you think, say, or do whatever it is that you have set yourself to avoid doing, you set a sentry at the gate of your mind ready to challenge all comers, and so you acquire the habit of being on the alert. Keep this in mind, and you will have no difficulty in following the argument of this letter.... ...it is the *normal* habit of the mind to organize [counter- attacks to the practice of meditation] that makes their task so easy. What you need is a mind that will help rather than hinder your Work by its *normal* function. This is where these Greetings, and Will-sayings, and Adorations come in.... The point is that one trains oneself to react properly at any moment of surprise. It must become "second nature" for "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" to spring to the forefront of the mind when one is introduced to a stranger, or comes down to breakfast, or hears the telephone bell, or observes the hour of adoration, (these are to be the superficial reactions, like instinctively rising when a lady enters the room) or, at the other end, in moments of immediate peril, or of sudden apprehension, or when in one's meditation, one approaches the deepest strata. One need not be dogmatic about these special words. One might choose a formula to represent one's own particular True Will. It is a little like Cato (or Scipio, was it?) who concluded every speech, whether about the Regulations of the Roman Bath or the proposal to reclaim a marsh of the Maremma, with the words: "And moreover, in my opinion, Cathage ought to be destroyed." Got it? You teach the mind to push your thought automatically to the very thing from which it was trying to wander. "...do you always do all this yourself? Don't you sometimes feel embarrassed, or fear that you may destroy the effect of your letter, or 'create a scene' in the public street when you suddenly stop and perform these incomprehensible antics, or simply forget about the whole thing?" Yes, I do. Well now, have I any shadow of an excuse? Yes, I have, after a fashion; I don't think it good manners to force my idiosyncrasies down people's throats, and I don't want to appear more of an eccentric than I need. It might detract from my personal influence, and so actually harm the Work that I am trying to perform. *Love is the law, love under will*. Yours fraternally, 666 ------------------------------------------------------------ _Magick Without Tears_, by Aleister Crowley, ed. Regardie, Falcon Press, 1989; pp. 149-51. __________________________________________________________ PStuart@AOL.COM #...what is your interpretation of the "intent" behind thelemic greeting? as personal discipline. to me it is also a social inspiration in the promulgation on the Law of Thelema, but it need not be so here according to the Master. #Frankly, I get much more mileage out of 93s... People, more often #than not, ask what it means, which gives me an opportunity to explain. this is something I've found valuable but moreso when the Greetings were much more explicit than some number or incomprehensible gibberish (my own usage within this elist of 'E6' and 'E6/6/6' is more protest or satire than Thelemic Greeting, though it does in some measure present a similar practice, inclusive of quasi-gibberish). #it does allow us some internal identification, but there is nothing wrong #with that, that depends on what you take to be 'wrong' here. the objective, according to Crowley, is to remain *alert*, and using somnambulistic repetition is the surest way to both lose the significance of the alerting-mechanism and put ourselves to sleep. #...I've NEVER been called a conformist... that would be a new experience #for me. all of us need conform in order to dwell within society of any organized sort. by 'conformist' I presume you mean that your primary nature was not that of conformity and the activity of conforming. this is not so much my warning but that the usage of "93" dissolves the instruction of the Master on the matter as I have quoted above and makes is useless. compare Muslim Greetings such as 'assalam alaykum'. when used by Muslims within their own group it is an effective social-cement and somnambulant. when expressed to those *outside* the Muslim community (especially if the hearer speaks Arabic -- or English 'peace be upon you'), then this can become a rough equivalent of the Thelemic Greetings the Master describes. #Use whatever greeting you will... if it works for you, do it, my friend. 'works for you' is the operative phrase here. how they work, to what they lead, and what their manner of usage inspires appear to bear very directly on this 'working'. my intent isn't to control others, only to express my objection to the mimicry, facade, and abandonment of the instructions of he who devised the method, for the benefit of acculturization. E6/6/6 nigris (333) tyagi@housofkaos.abyss.com -- see http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/nagasiva.html and call: 408/2-666-SLUG!!! ---- (emailed replies may be posted) ---- CC public replies to email ---- * * * Asphalta Cementia Metallica Polymera Coyote La Cuckaracha Humana * * *