From tyagi@bjt.net Fri Nov 15 15:24:24 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13409 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:24:11 -0500 Received: from kudo20.kudonet.com by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA08327; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:17:13 -0800 Received: by kudo20.kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA27845; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:09:47 -0800 From: tyagi@bjt.net (Tyagi Nagasiva) Message-Id: <199611151909.LAA27845@kudo20.kudonet.com> Subject: 9611.willtru.tn To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:09:47 -0800 (PST) Orientation: House of Kaos, St. Joseph, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O >From thelema93-l-owner@hollyfeld.org Fri Nov 15 06:58:59 1996 X-Authentication-Warning: bitsy.hollyfeld.org: majordom set sender to owner-thelema93-l using -f Message-Id: <199611150710.XAA19881@kudo20.kudonet.com> Subject: Crowley's Will and True Will (was Re: TMfwd Rabelais and Crowley) To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:10:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199611142228.OAA60908@scv1.apple.com> from "Tim Maroney" at Nov 14, 96 02:27:08 pm From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nigris (333)) Orientation: House of Kaos, St. Joseph, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Precedence: bulk reply-to: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org content-length: 2057 4996114 AA1 Hail Satan! Tim 'the Wizard' Maroney: #This one can also be found at: # #http://www.hollyfeld.org/Esoteric/Usenet/Thelema/9410.thelema.tm actually the URL would be: ftp://ftp.hollyfeld.org/pub/Esoteric/Usenet/Thelema/9410.thelema.tm #In the process he gave Crowleyan Thelema its own version of the #insoluble "problem of evil" that dogs traditional Christianity. If #will is pre-existent and omnipotent, then how is it that there is such #a thing as restriction of the will? my impression was that true will was pre-existent and omnipotent, but that will itself was plainly restrictable. besides, the idea of restriction as Crowley describes it within his Commentaries appears to delve more into restrictions of conceptualization than of physicality -- as we cease to somehow identify with a force or object, restricting ourselves from its nature, so we also cease to have power with respect to it (see Rabbi Jeffrey's article on restriction to which I quipped a reply recently). #...How do we know that it exists? it may be felt, that life-force of sentient existence, and is symbolized by the Egyptian symbol of the ankh. it may be fanned into flame by 'energized enthusiasm'. it can be challenged and yoked to the back of a magical oath. it can be thwarted where not true, and it can be violated by those whose orbits exceed their true will. #What is the meaning of its attribute of righteousness? when speaking of the true will, its righteousness derives from the fact that it fits within the Coherent Perfection and cannot be turned aside, a true 'magical oath' swerving not at all. to the deist it is the 'Will of God' and its nature is Love. #Why should we prefer it to other things? because it is our 'tao' or way of living, and we veer from it only by pitting ourselves against the universal current. the course of least resistance is always preferred in the long-term even while short-term we may benefit at times from bouncing against the sides. E6/6/6 nigris (333) tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com ----- End of forwarded message from nigris (333) -----