From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.chaos,alt.magick,alt.magick.order,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage Subject: Alzuron: OTO and IOT (initiations) Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.order,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage Date: 12 Sep 1997 13:46:44 -0700 Organization: Bay Junction Technology, Inc. Lines: 54 Sender: tyagi@news.bjt.net Message-ID: <5vc9nk$s6i@bay1.bjt.net> Reply-To: alzuron@cyberconnect.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) NNTP-Posting-Host: bay1.bjt.net Path: bridge!not-for-mail Xref: bridge alt.magick.tyagi:14892 alt.magick.chaos:12796 alt.magick:118387 talk.religion.misc:323847 talk.religion.newage:80017 [from thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org: Alzuron ] 8-27-IVv 93:-- >> Also, I must add that I started off on the wrong foot even as a 1st >> degree with O.T.O. by being a Neophyte of the I.O.T. Many, actually a >> total of 12 O.T.O.er's showed an interest in the I.O.T. enough so to >> sign assertions which I sent to Pete. When some Higher ups in O.T.O. >> heard about this . the shit hit the fan, and I was suddenly accused of >> having originally infiltrating O.T.O. to recruit for Pete. Then most of >> these chicken shits backed out lest, they wanted to jeopardize their own >> long term ambitions of reaching the holy grail of the 9th degree. > >Oh Jeez! >What is this OTO policy of non-invitation above the 3* OTO if one is a >member of any other religious or magical org? Does anyone know it? and >why does the OTO do this? Current O.T.O. policy, according to the Camp Master's Handbook, Revision July IViv (1996ev) Fra.'.Sabazius X*, places Initiation through the IV*/P.I. as _voluntary_ and that all degrees Subsequent to and Beyond the IV*/P.I. are "by invitation only" (a.k.a., you have done the work and are fit for initiation throughout the Lover's Triad). Also, from the same Manual, the introductory degrees of O.T.O. (Minerval through IV*/P.I.) are open to all Free Men and Women of Full Age and Good Report (:acknowledgment that one is 18 physical years or older on this planet and that one does not have any outstanding debts to the Order). I am unaware of an all-encompassing policy inhibiting those in IOT from advancing in O.T.O. However, the O.T.O. does have SOME reason to be wary of certain occult organizations; namely due to the fact that some groups have, on occasion, resorted to parasitic maneuvers to subsume or claim power/membership by "using" an established O.T.O. body as a "front" or "recruitment ground" for their activities --- such as your "assertions" acknowledgment above has the tendency to look like, whether it was the actual case or no. To counter this, the O.T.O. does have a policy regarding the keeping of O.T.O. events and gatherings strictly O.T.O., meaning they should not be a place for promalgating other groups and/or ideologies. Aside of this, the O.T.O. does not discourage the existence of other reality-tracks/paradigms, or their maintenance/furtherence, amongst its membership outside of O.T.O. events. A bit of evidence for the case ov such a policy might still be found in the alt.magick & alt.magick.chaos archives from October IViii (1994ev). 93 93/93 Alzuron -- (emailed replies may be posted);join the AMT syncretism!!;call: 408/2-666-SLUG! see http://www.abyss.com/tokus; "Clement of Rome taught that God rules the world with a right and a left hand, the right being Christ, the left Satan." - CGJung