Path: Supernews70!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nigris333) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.order,alt.thelema,talk.religion.misc Subject: Kenneth Grant OHO of OTO? Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.order,alt.thelema Date: 16 Jun 1998 12:44:41 -0700 Organization: Access Internet Communications, Inc. Lines: 57 Sender: tyagi@accesscom.com Message-ID: <6m6hv9$20j$1@shell.accesscom.com> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.226.156.10 X-Trace: 898008961 JGM7UZI7A9CA CDE2C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: Supernews70 alt.magick.tyagi:15974 alt.magick:149958 alt.magick.order:1494 talk.religion.misc:370148 [from thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org: Bill Heidrick ] 93, Gregory Peters : >Has everyone has a chance to see this yet: > >http://www.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/doc.htm > >Should be rather interesting if this is an authentic document. Two questions: I. If this document was written by Crowley, as described, why did neither Grant nor Germer know about it? A. Grant wrote in his manifesto that Germer as "Fr. S" was head of OTO internationally. B. Germer did not make Grant a Xth, but expelled him in 1955 e.v., after giving him formal address for another degree below that. II. Why did Crowley appoint Germer as his successor in letters which were not retracted, including notice to others who were to hold themselves in reserve for succeeding Germer if Germer did not name a successor? Secondary observation: Crowley did recommend Grant to Germer in a letter from about this period, indicating that Germer might like to try Grant as a representative in England, but leaving the decision up to Germer. Also, on consistency: I. The document appears to suggest that Xth degree is OHO. II. The document incorrectly identifies Karl Germer as Grand Secretary General, instead of giving his correct title of Grand Treasurer General. III. The dating by sun and moon in sign is not consistent with Crowley's use of degrees for those entries. In addition, Crowley normally used the mundane date in this period and almost always indicated the location from which he wrote. IV. The number normally given by Crowley on signature is 666, not the number found after Baphomet on this document. Crowley usually did not add a number after "Baphomet" in arabic numerals. V. In official instructions of designation of authority, Crowley almost always used mundane in addition to magical names, especially in identifing himself and his apointees. 93 93/93 Bill Heidrick EOF -- tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (emailed replies may be posted); 408/2-666-SLUG cc me replies; http://www.abyss.com/tokus; http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi