From thelema93-l-owner@hollyfeld.org Thu Nov 12 22:26:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mindy.accesscom.com (root@ns2.accesscom.com [205.226.156.3]) by shell.accesscom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA02979 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:26:09 -0800 Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by mindy.accesscom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA32580 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:26:08 -0800 Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19415; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:25:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from thelema93-l-owner@hollyfeld.org) Received: from www.hollyfeld.org (www.hollyfeld.org [204.130.199.143]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA12149; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA17011 for thelema93-l-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:33:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.hollyfeld.org: majordom set sender to owner-thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org using -f Received: from mindy.accesscom.com (ns2.accesscom.com [205.226.156.3]) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA16983 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:31:43 -0500 Received: from shell.accesscom.com (tyagi@shell.accesscom.com [205.226.156.10]) by mindy.accesscom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA32411 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:23:32 -0800 Received: (from tyagi@localhost) by shell.accesscom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) id WAA02785 for thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:23:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199811130623.WAA02785@shell.accesscom.com> Subject: Re: Satanism and Thelema (was Satan! Where the hell...) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981112164528.006a0bbc@uwec.edu> from Jesse Krenzelok at "Nov 12, 98 04:45:28 pm" To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:23:32 -0800 (PST) From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nigris (333)) Orientation: Arkaotika, Ville of the Forest, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga Organization: http://www.abyss.com/tokus X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Status: RO 49981112 IIIom Hail Satan! E6 nigris: #> Satanism as an anti-religious religious movement was provided its #> impetus by the Thelemic cultus. it is Thelemic in its principles #> yet does not deign to arrogantly adopt a self-description that #> denotes a liberative character. instead it takes on the guise of #> the Adversary and demonstrates it perfection without gloating. Jesse Krenzelok : # This is the Aeon of the CROWNED and CONQUERING child, not the Aeon # of the "sneaky little humble child" I say, gloat. I mark the Horusian Aeon as having ended sometime around 1967, defintely by 1996, June 6th. the child had his day, now it is time for hir to grow up a little. #> DWTW has every possible meaning, if only the reader be illuminated. # # I agree, but in pledging yourself to the advisary, are you not # still saying "thy will, not mine, be done"? the Adversary does not require or encourage worship, pledging. the cages of contracts for the supposed benefit of all have fallen before the need for present-centered service to the downtrodden, the chivalric defense of the weak (nonhuman, feminine, hereditarily excluded, etc.) out of compassion and a preservation of diversity. my will is done every time I choose to serve Baphomet. # Regardless of the leniancy of the patron, the very act of worship # is a restriction in and of itself... You may get far on that # route, but in the end, all must be abandoned. worship is the path encouraged by the Slave Gods. its first glimpse of conscription showing itself within the Thelemic cultus with the Creed previously quoted in this elist ("I believe in one ineffable Lord..." etc.). such magical oaths may support one in one's immaturity, but as you say, all such simplicities must eventually be abandoned. the Infernal One (IO IO PAN) encourages us to do as we please, not necessarily to do as Ateh wills. # ...you are doing your Will as well as any of us here... (and better # than some, from what I can tell) It is a breath of fresh air .... thank you for your kind words. it is my pleasure also to discuss this matter with you. swords clashing and sparking, no blood drawn, all chivalric codes acceded in the moment of mutual respect. ::salud:: E6/6/6 blessed beast! __________________________________________________________________________ nigris (333) tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com; http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/ caution: I don't read all posts, filtering out those of < a # of bytes. I select text by key authors. cc me if you absolutely need a response. ____________...oooOOO---thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe" to thelema93-l-request@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe your@email.com send "unsubscribe your@email.com" http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven/elists/thelema93-l.phtml