Path: typhoon.sonic.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ73!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Patrick Brown Subject: Re: Sidhe? Newsgroups: alt.mythology,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.religion.wicca Message-ID: <0a0133f8.11730cfe@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> Lines: 46 Bytes: 1778 X-Originating-Host: 62.252.136.38 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.mythology References: <83ddgq$lho$1@news.laserlink.net> <19991228014453.28011.00002486@ng-fo1.aol.com> <84a3ad$clu@bolt.sonic.net> X-Wren-Trace: eC0IICE4fzV+fTgxOmQvLz0sMj8mfT0bMSAqISt3N2JsPmZsdT92cXR+Z3lwO3BpdA== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 04:36:45 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.16 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 946384824 10.0.2.16 (Tue, 28 Dec 1999 04:40:24 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 04:40:24 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.mythology:56168 alt.magick.tyagi:20810 alt.magick:173158 alt.religion.wicca:255257 In article <84a3ad$clu@bolt.sonic.net>, nagasiva@luckymojo.com (Anu) wrote: > josiekush@aol.com (Josie Kush): > > The Sidhe were the classic "elves" correct? > conflation of cultures, methinks. > "sidhe" -- fairy folk of Western Europe > "elves": "alf" Northern European > these have been combined in folk and popular tales deriving > FROM these sources (such as in Tolkien and those whom he > influenced). The sidhe are specifically Irish. The word "sidhe" originally meant the megalithic burial mounds that dot Ireland, like Newgrange, which predates the arrival of the Celts by several thousand years. They were considered to be the home of the Tuatha De Danann or "Peoples of the Goddess Danu/Dana", the Irish gods, who with the arrival of Christianity were demoted to fairies. The term used was "aes sidhe", the people of the mounds, or "sidhe" could be used on its own. I imagine elves are roughly the English equivalent, but I don't know enough about the word to say for certain. Patrick > > if you could tell me the names of some myth collections about > > them i would be most interested. Thank you! Stories of the Tuatha De Danann on the web include: The Wooing of Etain - http://www.ficom.net/members/ditch/etain.htm The Second Battle of Mag Tured - http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~dc920/tured.html My website, The Ulster Cycle - http://irelandnow.com/ulstercycle - , is mostly concerned with Irish heroic tales, but does include a few stories concerning the Tuatha De and the hills they lived in, for example The Adventure of Nera and Oengus's Dream. Patrick * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Path: typhoon.sonic.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.159.255.21!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!sandymac.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: sandymac@sandymac.demon.co.uk (Alexander Maclennan) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.mythology Subject: Re: Sidhe? Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:48:37 GMT Organization: disorganised Message-ID: References: <83ddgq$lho$1@news.laserlink.net> <19991228014453.28011.00002486@ng-fo1.aol.com> <84a3ad$clu@bolt.sonic.net> <0a0133f8.11730cfe@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sandymac.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: sandymac.demon.co.uk:158.152.14.157 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 946395675 nnrp-12:20577 NO-IDENT sandymac.demon.co.uk:158.152.14.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Lines: 15 Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:20812 alt.mythology:56169 Patrick Brown wrote: > The sidhe are specifically Irish. The word "sidhe" originally meant the > megalithic burial mounds that dot Ireland, like Newgrange, which > predates the arrival of the Celts by several thousand years. Not strictly accurate. The sidhe live on both sides of the Irish Sea and probably elsewhere as well. My own immediate forebears are buried in Tomnahurich where Thomas the Rhymer reputedly ended up and where the odd fiddler has disappeared for a hundred years or so. What with the dancing and feasting the time slips by very fast. -- Alexander MacLennan sandymac@sandymac.demon.co.uk Path: typhoon.sonic.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!greenman From: greenman@servtech.com (Michael and Kimberly Burkard) Newsgroups: alt.mythology,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Re: Sidhe? Message-ID: References: <83ddgq$lho$1@news.laserlink.net> <19991228014453.28011.00002486@ng-fo1.aol.com> <84a3ad$clu@bolt.sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Lines: 25 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:06:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.181.4.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 946433036 204.181.4.31 (Wed, 29 Dec 1999 02:03:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 02:03:56 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.mythology:56190 alt.magick.tyagi:20817 In article <84a3ad$clu@bolt.sonic.net>, spam@luckymojo.com wrote: > josiekush@aol.com (Josie Kush): > > The Sidhe were the classic "elves" correct? > > conflation of cultures, methinks. > > "sidhe" -- fairy folk of Western Europe > "elves": "alf" Northern European > > > if you could tell me the names of some myth collections about > > them i would be most interested. Thank you! _An Encyclopedia of Fairies_ by Katharine Briggs has entries on both the Sidhe and Elves. -kim -- Kimberly Burkard | _ Everything I needed to know in life, I greenman@servtech.com| _____C .._. learned from my ferret: | ____/ \___/ Frolic and dance for joy often, have |<____/\_---\_\ no fear or worries, and enjoy life.