Path: typhoon.sonic.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulhume@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: Serious On Topic Question for Wiccans Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 03:39:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <88vkol$21u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.177.8.61 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Feb 23 03:39:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 bx6.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.177.8.61 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulhume Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.religion.wicca:277988 > Could someone explain to me in detail what the "Measure" in the "Rede and > the Measure" is? I have my ideas, but not being an initiated Wiccan has its > draw backs... > In general refers to a cord or ribbon used to take the candidate's "measure" during the first degree initiation. Birdtribe mentioned the knots expressing a simple progression in the High Priestess cincture, but the point being that every witch in a Gardnerian-descended coven will have the same. Since the measure forms a magical link to the candidate, it is presented to him or her once they are initiates, in most traditions (retaining it is considered "bad form"). The measure is then used by each witch in things like laying out a formal circle - one that is by definition scaled to the body of the individual witch. I think it also serves as the cable tow for covens that use that tool (ie,. the cord used to both bind and lead the candidate a la Masonic cradftwork). It's been awhile since I dug into it (I am not initiated into any of the Wiccan mysteries either, in any trad...boring ceremonial magician myself), so I could easily be wrong on this. Regards, Paul PS - may I point out to the folks responding to "RBB"'s latest shitful post in this thread, that this represents another attempt to hijack a thread by the damaged individuals who use that handle, and responding to it makes this - yet again - a thread about them rather than about what it started out to discuss. PRH Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.