From tyagi@bjt.net Thu Nov 14 07:39:45 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA03045 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:39:42 -0500 Received: by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA05643; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 03:33:28 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 03:33:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199611141133.DAA05643@kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: 9611.rgraves.dc From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Status: O >Path: kudonet.com!news.scruz.net!legba.synergy.net!news.inetnebr.com!netserv.unmc.edu!news.mid.net!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.brewich.com!robomod!srp-submit >From: dcohen@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Daniel Cohen") >Newsgroups: soc.religion.paganism >Subject: Re: Maiden, Mother, Crone and Other Recent Inventions >Date: 8 Nov 1996 14:50:24 -0600 >Organization: Compulink Information eXchange >Lines: 33 >Sender: srpbot@news.brewich.com >Approved: SRP Approval Key >Message-ID: >References: >NNTP-Posting-Host: brewich.com >X-SRP-Homepage: http://www.brewich.com/org/srp/index.html >X-SRP-Info-1: Send submissions to srpbot@brewich.com >X-SRP-Info-2: Send technical complaints to srp-admin@brewich.com >X-SRP-Info-3: Send complaints about policy to srp-modkin@brewich.com >X-Robomod-Written-By: ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov) >X-Newsreader: CixRead/CixComm >X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP soc.religion.paganism > iQBVAwUBMoOdDVzemumcYbkZAQGvwQH+J71JiLAuR2Dlq1rLV3tLNDwmGlFhjr+p > 6PUHktjaLuO7cXrOsSexfCP+0e3Ceu30dk6jxOwLz8i+mDIO6JX4LA== > =ro9n In message , AshleyB@halcyon.com said: > I believe Robert Graves is the originator of the following ideas, and > that they have little historical merit: > > 1. the Celtic tree-alphabet, > > 2. the 'Maiden, Mother, Crone' triad, > > 3. the primitive matriarchy. 2. Ron Hutton mentioned (I've not checked for myself) that this concept first comes in the writings of the classicist Jane Harrison in the early years of this century. I think Graves can certainly be claimed as the poulariser of the idea, very few people look back past him. There are some specific classical references which connect to the MMC triplicity (e.g. Hera has aspects including Hera Parthenos), but the connection is a bit forced. 3. This comes from Victorian (and other) anthropologists, Bachofen, Briffault, Morgan, etc. Again one could say that that the idea reached modern consciousness via Graves, though here people do look back to the older works. The concept of the Great Mother Goddess was common among archaeologists in the 1920s and 30s and beyond, though after the critique in the 60s most archaeologists are more sceptical. Daniel Cohen e-mail: dcohen@cix.compulink.co.uk or D.E.Cohen@qmw.ac.uk ========================================= MODERATOR COMMENT MOD: Hampster