From tyagi@bjt.net Thu Nov 14 07:10:56 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA02980 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:10:54 -0500 Received: by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA05171; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 03:04:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 03:04:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199611141104.DAA05171@kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: 9611.wichist.apt From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Status: O >Path: kudonet.com!news.scruz.net!miwok!bdt.com!hal.COM!nntp-sc.barrnet.net!cpk-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uuneo.neosoft.com!news.uh.edu!lurch.sccsi.com!news.sccsi.com!nuchat!srp.brewich.com!robomod!not-for-mail >From: aptower@netcom.com >Newsgroups: soc.religion.paganism,alt.religion.wicca >Subject: Re: Wiccan Tradition Distinction? >Date: 24 Aug 1996 00:19:28 -0500 >Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) >Lines: 49 >Sender: srpbot@brewich.brewich.com >Approved: SRP Approval Key >Message-ID: >References: <4vl239$ka1@mark.ucdavis.edu> >NNTP-Posting-Host: brewich.com >X-SRP-Charter: http://www.brewich.com/org/srp/charter.html >X-SRP-Info-1: Send submissions to srpbot@brewich.com >X-SRP-Info-2: Send technical complaints to srp-admin@brewich.com >X-SRP-Info-3: Send complaints about policy to srp-modkin@brewich.com >X-Robomod-Written-By: ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov) >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] >X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP soc.religion.paganism >Xref: kudonet.com soc.religion.paganism:107 alt.religion.wicca:28432 I speak as a Gardnerian with some experience in other Trads: Thomas Hrouda (ez055275@rocky.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : I'm curious, what exactly are the differences between Garnerian and : Alexandrian Wicca. For that matter is there a difference between the : Garnerians, the Alexandrians, Dianics, the Cunnigham, Conway traditions. : Buckland? Alexandrian is descended from the Gardnerian, and is quite similar in ritual structure. Buckland is an old Gardnerian, whose books teach systems based on that one, with his own twists. Dianic Wicca is all female, all Goddess-centerd. Few Dianics seem to even acknowledge the God. What I have read of Cunnigham looks quite New Age and somewhat fluffy to me. However, I am not an expert on him. Some of his stuff is very useful. Don't know about Conway. : Is there a nutshell explanation, or is it a secret. Is the difference in : Ritual or Ceremony, Philosophy, Structure? Just a series of Family : Squabbles. The nutshell answer to all of those questions is, "Yes." There are differences in Ritual wordings and gestures. Differences in Ritual order. Differences in basic philosophies and kinds of magic used. SOme have degree systems, some don't. In some, the HPS and HP are the leaders, and in some, everybody takes their turn as HPS/HP. That can even vary from coven to coven within a Trad, and in a coven, from one Ritual to the next. Some covens operate with a rigid heirarchy. Others of the same Trad don't. My sister wears a panty girdle. I wear cotton briefs. We both cover our backsides, but we do it differently. : What about the new stuff, what Tradition would Starhawk's Spiral Dance be, : Ravenwolf's (sp?) To Ride A Silver Broomstick (?)? I don't know about Ravenwolf, but Starhawk started as a member of the Faerie Trad, I think, and has developed the Reclaiming Trad from there. Faerie is the creation of Victor Andersen, who goes back pretty far, not as far as Gardner. For more on it, use a seach engine to find the Web Page of Francesca Dubie. : Anyone? Anyone else? More info needed, here. Somebody fill in the blanks, and/or correct anywhere I'm off. Nina --