Path: Supernews70!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.religion.wicca,alt.pagan.magick,talk.religion.newage,talk.religion.misc,alt.pagan,alt.magick.order Subject: TMaroney: Greenfield and Witchcraft History Date: 20 Dec 1997 16:10:06 -0800 Organization: Access Internet Communications, Inc. Lines: 120 Message-ID: <67hmou$hbt$1@shell.accesscom.com> Reply-To: maroney@apple.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 9992@205.226.156.10 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: Supernews70 alt.magick.tyagi:14519 alt.magick:120886 alt.religion.wicca:103022 alt.pagan.magick:7031 talk.religion.newage:89836 talk.religion.misc:335904 alt.pagan:249300 alt.magick.order:993 [from thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org: Tim Maroney ] >Actually, Bishop T Allen Greenfield has an interesting essay on >Thelema and Wicca, which speculates that both Gardner and Parsons >were working on the same project from different angles. > >Check it out at: >http://www.mindspring.com/~jcrow/171/ Greenfield is a fraudulent author whose book, "The Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts", is a plainly absurd attempt to derive encoded UFO messages from the Book of the Law. In a recent conversation with a high-placed Order member, I was told that Greenfield now admits within O.T.O. circles that this book was written purely to make money and was not sincerely meant. We could perhaps forgive this as a youthful indiscretion, except that it is only three years old, that it represents a cycnical prostitution of a book he is claiming to hold sacred, and that publically he continues to try to make hay from the book, as on his web page: >The Rt. Rev. Greenfield is the author of several commercial books. >Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts (IllumiNet Press, 1994) has been >critically acclaimed in many reviews all over the world. There is no evidence given in Greenfield's essay (at http://www.mindspring.com/~jcrow/171/wicca.html ) of any connection between Parsons and Gardner, only of the coincidence that they both were connected to Crowley and both used the word "witch" in the late 1940's. In fact, anyone familiar with Gardnerian tradition reading Parson's writings on witchcraft can insitantly see that they bear no apparent thematic connection to Gardnerian witchcraft. We also have plenty of letters between Crowley and Parsons on the subject -- this being the speculative connection between these two usages of "witchcraft" -- and these letters are silent about any connection. These issues are conveniently omitted by Greenfield. It is not that I disagree with his treatment of the questions -- he does not even acknowledge their existence. Here is the sum total of argument by which he arrives at his striking conclusion about a connection between Parsons and Gardner: >It is of more than passing interest that Ye Book of Ye Arte Magical, the >OTO Charter granted to Gerald Gardner by Aleister Crowley, the writings >by Parsons on witchcraft, the publication of High Magic's Aid and the >public emergence of Wicca all date from the same period, circa >1945-1950.] >First consider Doreen Valiente's observation to me concerning "the >Parsons connection". I quote from her letter above mentioned, one of >several she was kind enough to send me in 1986 in connection with my >research into this matter. > >"...If you are referring to the group of which Jack Parsons was a member >(along with the egregious Mr. L. Ron Hubbard), then there is another >curious little point to which I must draw your attention. I have a >remarkable little book by Jack Parsons called MAGICK, GNOSTICISM AND THE >WITCHCRAFT. It is unfortunately undated, but Parsons died in 1952. The >section on witchcraft is particularly interesting because it looks >forward to a revival of witchcraft as the Old Religion....I find this >very thought provoking. Did Parsons write this around the time that >Crowley was getting together with Gardner and perhaps communicated with >the California group to tell them about it? Parsons began forecasting >the "revival of Witchcraft" in the notorious "Liber 49 - The Book of >Babalon" written in 1946. The timing of the genesis of "The Book of >Babalon" -- which forecast a 'revival' of witchcraft in covens based on >the number eleven (the Thelemic number of magick) rather than the >traditional thirteen, seems to coincide with Crowley's OTO Charter to >Gardner, Gardner's U.S. visit, and also coincides rather closely with >the writing of HIGH MAGIC'S AID by Gardner." That's all. Just a temporal coincidence, with no evidence of any link, no text in common between the Parsons and Gardner material (no sentences, no phrases, no specialized terms beyond "witch"), no reference to Gardner in the Crowley letters to Parsons that would have served as the only known avenue of contact between the Englishman Gardner and the Californian Parsons, no cross-references from Parsons to Gardner or vice versa, to the other, no similar ritual forms between "Wicca" and "the witchcraft", etc. Greenfield ignores all these issues in his rush to judgment. If I seem cranky on this point, it's becase I am. I have had to spend untold hours of my life cleaning up messes left by negligent or fraudulent historians of witchcraft, and now I've just had to spend another twenty minutes on Greenfield, who for some unknown reason seems to be a rising historical star in the O.T.O. I am not looking forward to having more of my time wasted in the future by the specious claims of a dishonest and dishonorable writer. We don't need more Grimassis and Susters running around. ============================================================= ...Here is his closing, in which he proclaims himself appointed by the Inner Order to take over Wicca: >If the Charter Crowley issued Gardner is, indeed, the authority upon >which Wicca has been built for half a century, then it is perhaps no >coincidence that I acquired that Charter in the same year I was >consecrated a Bishop of the Gnostic Catholic Church. Further, it was >literally only days after my long search for the original of Gardner's >BOOK OF SHADOWS ended in success that the Holy Synod of T Michael >Bertiaux's branch of the Gnostic Church unanimously elected me a >Missionary Bishop, on August 29, 1986. > >Sometimes, I muse, the Inner Order revoked Wicca's charter in 1986, >placing it, so to speak, in my hands. Since I hold it in Trust, perhaps >Wicca has, in symbolic form, returned home at last. It remains for the >Wiccans , literally (since the charter hangs in my temple space), to >read the handwriting on the wall. -- Tim Maroney tim@maroney.org http://www.maroney.org ____________...oooOOO---thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To subscribe send: 'subscribe thelema93-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe send: 'unsubscribe thelema93-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven -- (emailed replies may be posted); http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi; 408/2-666-SLUG join the esoteric syncretism in alt.magick.tyagi; http://www.abyss.com/tokus