Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!cpc1-derb2-3-0-cust63.nott.cable.ntl.COM!not-for-mail From: "janet" Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.pagan.magick,alt.religion.wicca Subject: Re: Clutterbuck-Gardner Data Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:42:12 -0000 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <0xmkb.2244$np1.1556@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> <2WVlb.34693$dk4.913884@typhoon.sonic.net> <3F983F7F.677F@dmcom.net> <9ZTnb.1334$Wy2.20392@typhoon.sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc1-derb2-3-0-cust63.nott.cable.ntl.com (81.96.244.63) X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1067456980 38417551 81.96.244.63 (16 [176608]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:42122 alt.magick:359545 alt.pagan:377257 alt.pagan.magick:39494 alt.religion.wicca:771938 lorax666 wrote: > 50031029 viii om > > lorax666: > #> later apparently claiming > #> that the original was passed on to him from Dorothy Clutterbuck. > #> as far as I know, nobody has confirmed Ms. Clutterbuck's actual > #> involvement with Gardner or indeed with occult groups. > #> > #> is there something substantial demonstrating otherwise? > > bard@dmcom.net: > # Last time I checked there was definate evidence of contact > established. > > contact between Gardner and a Ms. Clutterbuck? where might it be? > is there evidence that Clutterbuck had occult/religious contacts? > where might that be, if so? thanks. > > blessed beast! > > lorax666 Try Valiente's writings as well as Heselton, P. (2000). Wiccan Roots: Gerald Gardner and the modern witchraft revival. Freshfields, Capall Bann Publishing. Proof positive? I don't think it's conclusive but it's certainly suggestive. -- janet Email : janet@karlsforums.com mwcnbf - esoterrorist http://www.karlsforums.com/forums/