Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <396BAA1D.172A@luckymojo.com> From: catherine yronwode Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Re: OTO and Thelema References: <3968E44F.47F8@luckymojo.com> <8kaql1$dck$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39690315.4841@luckymojo.com> <#NkvsAw6$GA.349@cpmsnbbsa08> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 76 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:07:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.137.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 963356878 209.204.137.145 (Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:07:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:07:58 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:202288 alt.magick.tyagi:24324 Nuit wrote: > > "Re O'Stat" wrote in message > > Similarly, the egomania and sexual adventurism within the G.D. > > certainly was not better than HPB, Leadbeater, Reuss and Crowley. > > I didn't see Cat specify that it was sexual adventurism that she > objected to. Did I miss that sentence? I think there were a lot > of other things she specifically objected to. Thank you, Nuit. Sexual adverturism (Re's term) or personal sexual soap operas (my term) were indeed not what i was referring to. Since i did not state my specific objections to these people, i shall do so now: In the case of Blavatsky, i objected to her use of sleight-of-hand to rope in gullible followers. Her scurrilous attacks on the person of Paschal Beverly Randolph are not very endearing, either, founded as they are in racism, but on the old racism-o-meter she scores only in the mid 50s, compared to Crowley's high 90s. In the case of Leadbeater, i objected to his sexual predation and abuse of children. Although this is sexual conduct, it goes far beyond mere "adventurism" and consists of criminal activities. In the case of Reuss, i objected to his plagiarism of Masonic rites for use in a titty-show, because in doing so he broke his Masonic oaths and made a mockery of them. (Plagiarism is more distasteful to me than to some others, i am sure, but this was about my personal objections, so you must take them for what they are.) In the case of Crowley, i objected to his beating a Bengali doctor and bragging about it in a grotesquely racist passage of his autobiography, his abandoning his first wife and child in China (where the child died), his general abuse of women and egregiously sexist rants about the status of women at a time when most of his male and female collegaues in the magical and mystical communities of England and the USA were either actively working for or passively supporting political drives for female suffrage, his anti-Semitism while appropriating Jewish mysticism for his own system of magic, his claims of great adeptship at a time when he was essentially a wasted junkie who allowed his (possibily born-drug-addicted) baby to die without proper medical care in a remote area of Sicily, and ... well, there's more, but you get the picture. Two web pages that compile specific information on Crowley's racism and sexism can be found in nagasiva's Esoteric Archive at http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric.html Just go to Archive, scroll to the on-site search engine window, and type in a few keywords like "Crowley racism Bengali doctor" or "Crowley sexist female sufrage" or "Crowley drug addict opium cocaine heroin Sicily" or what-have-you, being sure to select "all words" in your search option. I have enjoyed this discussion greatly, and although i did not have time to reply to the posts on the sexual soap oepras within the BOTA, and such stuff is, again, not the root of my objections to the claims of certain mages, still i found that information of interest. If Paul Foster Case had advocated celibacy but practiced effectual bigamy, i would have found the story more compelling, simply because i enjoy the exposure of hypocricy. Which leads me to an oddball query: Are there any web pages written by responsible people (not fundies or enemies concocting hit-pieces) on which the occult community's ruch trove of scandal and gossip is dished out in full detail? If not, who will create one? cat (tabloids 'R' us) yronwode Freemasonry for Women ------- http://www.luckymojo.com/comasonry.html The Mage's Guide to the Internet ------ http://www.luckymojo.com/magi No personal e-mail, please; just catch me in usenet; i read it daily. Lucky Mojo Curio Co. http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html Send e-mail with your street address to catalogue@luckymojo.com and receive our free 32 page catalogue of hoodoo supplies and amulets