Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: newzion@xtra.co.nz (Secretary ECT) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.order,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.thelema,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Re: Objectively Studying the GD Date: 2 Mar 2003 02:00:51 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <3E412F6D.6020707@cox.net> <3E53E68C.15C31A6E@slip.net> <3E579DF8.2020205@cox.net> <3E582D32.AFB46C5D@slip.net> <3E59525E.7D109EF4@slip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.124.102.78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1046599251 18348 127.0.0.1 (2 Mar 2003 10:00:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2003 10:00:51 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:339433 alt.magick.order:7283 alt.magick.tyagi:38037 alt.pagan.magick:36336 Greetings Re and Frater AOC The crucial point of the Golden Dawn mystery is the resurrection. This is revealed by the role Osiris, Christ and also the resurrection of the Adept in the Vault of the C+R. These primarily are the keys to understanding the methodology of the Golden Dawn system. Obviously we can keep returning to the Cipher Manuscripts as some sort of reference point. However it seems to me that the Tarot and format of Cipher Manuscripts can be similarly used to support a transmutative-resurrected of ascent up the Tree. While Fr AOC may respectfully disagree with the above, no doubt a lot of magick is happening in the Outer ceremonies. Much of this is not clearly evident until later. Whatever ones opinion of GD ceremony and Open Source; most will no doubt agree to the importance of getting the magical formula right. Especially when we (magicians)using various archetypal (and other) energies to encourages certain kinds of development within the psyche of the candidate. A most fascinating aspect of the ceremonial magicks is the completeness of the traditional Golden Dawn outer order form, which provides the mystical transformative sustenance to both 'those of us who have pitchforks or harps' this not being particulary apparent until later when the candidate becomes awakened to his/her True Inner Nature. One may think that perhaps i am getting away from the point. The point is that the traditional formula of the GD resulted in the brillance of Crowley, just as it did Waite, Yeats and others etc. The big question regarding Open Source, is WHAT DO their ceremonial changes have upon those working that formula within etc. What is the outcome and the result of the magical body. For it is that body which transcends illusion and works its magick. And what if any is the advantage. At the end of the day, one must have the intent and the absolute knowledge and asurance that, by whatever process, the method.formula will actually achieve the intent desired. LLL Jean