To: alt.magick From: SarDraconis@aol.com (Sar Draconis) Subject: Regardie and the 7=4 Date: 4 Jul 2003 14:47:00 -0700 Back in 1992 the Israel Regardie Foundation furnished me a copy of the 7=4 manuscript sent by Pat Z. to Israel Regardie. (This is the typewritten one that at the top, says "Mythical Grade of 7=4", with the "TH" in "mythical" crossed out and "st" penned in to make it instead "mystical.") Obviously Pat sent Francis this document prior to his death, but also, according to Pat, he gave Francis the 7=4 AFTER his death as kind of an honor for all he did for the Golden Dawn. Therefore, according to Pat, the Israel Regardie Foundation didn't get their 7=4 from him. Fair enough. But if I put in my two cents worth, Francis already had the RITUAL, and designated Chris Hyatt his successor, (or, at least, in the ISRAEL REGARDIE FOUNDATION), so whether or not they actually had the 7=4 authority from Francis to Chris, comes down to some kind of theological dispute. Its another case of six of one and half a dozen of the other. I can kind of see why one side doesn't want to credit the other side, but it really doesn't matter to me since both sides are doing the work anyway. That's why I think the 7=4's who got it from Chris Hyatt are just as good as the 7=4's who got it from somewhere else. Its all the same RITUAL in any case. SAR