From aa-owner@hollyfeld.org Wed Apr 21 07:59:37 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yronwode@prog-relay.sonic.net Received: (qmail 5191 invoked from network); 21 Apr 1999 07:59:37 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by buzz.sonic.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 07:59:37 -0000 Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15805 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:59:36 -0700 Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA23766; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 03:59:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa-owner@hollyfeld.org) Received: from www.hollyfeld.org (www.hollyfeld.org [204.130.199.143]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA09162; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA01540 for aa-outgoing; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:02:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.hollyfeld.org: majordom set sender to owner-aa@hollyfeld.org using -f Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id DAA01513 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 03:58:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 2843 invoked from network); 21 Apr 1999 07:55:50 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 1999 07:55:50 -0000 Received: from bolt.sonic.net (yronwode@bolt.sonic.net [208.201.224.36]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15715; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:55:50 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: (from yronwode@localhost) by bolt.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id AAA14773; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:55:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199904210755.AAA14773@bolt.sonic.net> Subject: (AA) AA and History To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "tyagi@arkaotika.abyss.com" Cc: aa@hollyfeld.org (AA Email List) In-Reply-To: <199904210309.XAA27644@mailgw.flightsafety.com> from "Roberti, Anthony" at "Apr 20, 99 11:13:51 pm" From: tyagi@arkaotika.abyss.com (mu) Orientation: Arkaotika, Ville of the Forest, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga Organization: http://www.abyss.com/tokus X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-aa@hollyfeld.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: aa@hollyfeld.org Status: RO 49990421 IIIom mu explains a favored perspective: # > # > the AA is the only means by which spiritual development takes # > # > place. all incidentals of socially-identified systems are examples # > # > of the AA. in fact "AA" is the name given to this transcendental # > # > Current by Crowley and his cronies. it has acquired other names # > # > and descriptions over the years. "Roberti, Anthony" : # > # ...you mean the A.'.A.'. in a transcendent sense, as opposed to # > # the thelemic order as organized and run by human beings? mu: # > I don't know that the transcendental AA is opposed to any human # > organization. for all I know there are overlaps wherein the human # > orgs are a part of the [universal] Current, and this includes any of # > the organizations which call themselves "A.'.A.'." and "Thelemic". "Roberti, Anthony" : # ...When you say that the A.'.A.'. is the only means by which spiritual # development takes place, are you refering to the thelemic organization # of A.'.A.'.? all manifestations of the Celestial Masters, whether the AA or some other partially or wholly human enterprise, operate entirely based on Thelemic principles. Aleister Crowley didn't give birth to the Law of Thelema and the scripture of his cult is an incidental in the long and varied history of inspired and revelatory text. it serves him and his cultists well. # OR are you refering to the "transcendental" A.'.A.'. and the # operations of the Secret Chiefs thereof? the transcendental AA, by whatever name, may or may not be entirely comprised of the Secret Chiefs. for all I know they are merely a subset of the operational cadre which forms the world wide and long-lasting spiritual mechanism by which humans are being influenced toward maturity. when I say "AA is the only means by which spiritual development takes place" I am talking about the transcendental AA, which may or may not overlap any so called "Thelemic" human organizations that see fit to use the same name. those who say that the human AA is "Thelemic" betray that lineage's arrogance. it is perhaps comparable to claiming one is a Rosicrucian. # If you mean the former, how did spiritual development take # place prior to 1904 ev? calling the spiritual anarchracy of the human species by a new name and providing a clever description has been done so many times that we should really not be surprised when a mystic sees fit to follow suit. Crowley's version which he called "the Secret Chiefs" and "the A.'.A.'." was in part a co-option of (/revenge upon) the Golden Dawn and the Rosicrucians, whose status the GD had previously impugned and co-opted in turn as I understand it. 1904 is merely a number. it has no meaning to anyone who is viewing the cosmos outside the fantasies and projections of a number of mystical weirdos. neither did anything super- natural happen in 'Year 0', nor did anything of cosmic importance to those beyond Crowleyanity occur nineteen hundred years afterward. the AA didn't begin in either year, and the Secret Chiefs have been influencing the course of human spirituality for far longer than we can remember. if I decide to call the AA "The Ordur of Kaos Under Satan" and the Secret Chiefs "Celestial Masters" this affects them quite as significantly. blessed beast! mu tyagi@arkaotika.abyss.com -------------------------- http://www.abyss.com/tokus