Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.thelema,alt.pagan.magick,talk.religion.misc Subject: The Real A.'.A.'. (What/Where It Is) From: xiwangmu Reply-To: spam@yronwode.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 94 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 06:36:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023172562 208.201.242.18 (Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:36:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:36:02 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:32857 alt.magick:304053 alt.pagan.magick:33104 talk.religion.misc:380851 Orig-To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com 49990803 IVom # Could someone please tell me what or where the true A.'.A.'. is? yes. the true AA is a complex psychospiritual agency masquerading as a variety of shifting human social organizations or initiatic lineages. it has taken many names, manifests in forms conducive to the maturation of those who become its hosts, and may vanish without a trace leaving a dry husk of rotting aspirants mimicking that which they have lost. no. the true AA, being a living energy field infiltrating and withdrawing from societal infrastructures, can never be pinned down, absolutely identified, or claimed as a banner. when this has been attempted, it has seen fit to extrude another head, dive underground, and depart from the face of humanity for extended periods. therefore, to point out a specific location, agent, or textual work which ought represent this energy to you would be an egregious error serving only to mislead. # In the interest of saving face I'm sure that everyone will # say that their's is the one true A.'.A.'. those who claim to know they are members of the AA probably are not such. this is not because of any peculiar rosicrucian authority-non-identificum rule of membership but because the suggestion of certainty reveals the depravity of their connection to the current. # It is my understanding that the true A.'.A.'. co-mingles with # the true O.T.O. in later grades. The O.H.O. of the O.T.O. is # also the head of the A.'.A.'(at present). I have no reason to # believe that this is not true. given that you are describing particular human lineages (say, Kellner, Reuss, Crowley, Germer, McMurtry (Alpha), Beta OTO and Crowley et al AA), you may well be correct that these two organizations are co-mingled, unless the AA conferment of social authority has been as fucked up as has been the lineage of the OTO. this says nothing about the true AA, however, which extends far beyond any single lineage that Crowley may have initiated. what 'the true O.T.O.' might mean I leave for those who wish to delve the T93-L archives and prepare reports on the contenders (a potentially boring or interesting task). if you need reasons to believe that something is NOT true, then I would recommend changing your relationship with belief and considering again "The Book of Lies". # So being it would seem that the A.'.A.'. in question above # would be a fraudulent group. fraudulent in what sense? was Crowley's AA fraudulent? how can you tell? because he started it and called it the AA? why did he describe it as the system and structure of the Great White Brotherhood unless he knew it was connected via the Secret Masters and that he wasn't originating it? why shouldn't we see it in the context of the rest of the bodies which we could reasonable describe as the Great White Brotherhood (e.g. the Body of Christ, the Sangha of Gautama, the Kinship of the Bench of Ali, the Celestial Masters, etc., etc.)? # With so many A.'.A.'.'s around how would one know the true one? this is the real and important question to ask. one way would be to use a ceremonial matrix on the order of communications with spirits, the dead, or the gods. another would be to obtain a basic education in science, philosophy and religion and begin to discern fallacious from rational discertations, logical from illogical mathematic constructions, and generally to refine your mind so as to sift what you encounter in the NAME of the AA from what you can glean OUGHT to be a part of it. you may find that the AA has changed names already and has moved on to other manifestations. # And about the unqualified A.'.A.'.@ the Chicago address- # What the hell meaneth this Sodomus? if your disqualification is based on human contacts it is of no real importance to me or to the members of the Celestial Masters. you go on attempting to describe who is 'in' and who is 'not' based on your flimsy evidence. it would be much more helpful if you began an analysis of the type of human being which one OUGHT to encounter within such a body as an AA or OTO which was 'true'. blessed beast! ______________________________________________________________________ (mu) nagasiva@luckymojo.com; http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html I don't read everything here; cc me if you absolutely want a response.