Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: nigris333 Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.order,alt.magick Subject: OTO and AA Connections (Re: Statement by the Highest Authority of the A.'.A.'.) Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 44 Sender: yronwode@sonic.net Message-ID: <9g5r8n$bkv@bolt.sonic.net> References: <6pmcht82b29kcqtt49j621i6ejpee8261g@4ax.com> <20010601090003.19024.00000197@ng-fi1.aol.com> Reply-To: nagasiva@yronwode.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.4 (NOV) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:41:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.224.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 992374902 208.201.224.36 (Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:41:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:41:42 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:27242 alt.magick.order:6308 alt.magick:248739 50010611 VI! om Hail Satan! Felix: >> The point remains: The A.'.A.'. is not affiliated in any way >> to the OTO, save in the deluded minds of OTOs. bheidrick@aol.com (B Heidrick): > That's odd to remark, since it's what OTO has said all along, > other than that deluded bit. :-) not "all along". there have been numerous references to the AA as unofficially related to the (c)OTO by OTO members in the recent past within rather public archives. in fact, the article "Consider the Source" in the biannual newsletter of OTO ("Magical Link", page 10) is a clear statement from the head of the O.T.O. that "a resigned O.T.O. officer" created "the Temple of Thelema, an occult group in Los Angeles" which "purports to act as a training group for the A.'.A.'. moreover, there are many obvious even public dual-memberships between O.T.O. and a variety of A.'.A.'. or A.'.A.'.-related groups, of which the T.O.T. is only one among many. while it may be technically correct that officials of the O.T.O. have not specified a FORMAL relationship between the two (or more) orders, there has been an INFORMAL relationship between the two since Crowley and his cohorts created the A.'.A.'. and he wrote his "One Star in Sight" describing his vision of how it ought be organized (cf. the back of Dover's "Magick in Theory and Practice" if not other "Book Four: Liber ABBA" publishings). this informal relationship has been the cause of internal order conflict as loyalists to the previous Caliph (Hymenaeus Alpha, aka Grady McMurtry) in CA have been placed in the hotseat concerning their A.'.A.'. affiliations (because the CA and NY factions support different A.'.A.'. lineages) by the NY officials (notably Hymenaeus Beta). whether or not these conflicts come to resolution (as has apparently come to pass with the periodical 'The Red Flame' published by the Corneliuses; cf. http://cornelius93.homestead.com/misc.html especially the epistles regarding expulsion, parts I, II, and III) is of no consequence to the real problems that A.'.A.'. rivalries are causing to the integrity and composure of the (c)OTO. 333, II' of (c)OTO