From sentto-1949225-7830-987187673-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Fri Apr 13 11:47:49 2001 Return-Path: sentto-1949225-7830-987187673-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from mo.egroups.com (mo.egroups.com [208.50.144.78]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id f3DIlno30319 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:47:49 -0700 X-envelope-info: X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1949225-7830-987187673-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.53] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2001 18:47:53 -0000 X-Sender: julianus@kiva.net X-Apparently-To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 13 Apr 2001 18:47:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 1643 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2001 18:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2001 18:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO biff.kiva.net) (206.97.64.31) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 18:47:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 3440 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2001 18:47:49 -0000 Received: from dial-107.bton.kiva.net (HELO kiva.net) (208.143.10.107) by biff.kiva.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 18:47:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3AD74B7C.71DEA974@kiva.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com References: <000e01c0c3f2$79c61320$b3796c18@ivideon.com> From: Julianus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com; contact thelema93-l-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:54:59 -0500 Reply-To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [t93] Re: Reflections on the word "Thelemite" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO 93! cameron wrote: > I'd like to see to a kind of linguistic genealogy of will, tracing its > development from antiquity to its modern use. Philo of Alexandria and St. > Augustine both had sophisticated conceptions of will and I suspect that in > both cases the source may be the Hermetic notion of 'Logos' or 'Cosmos', > maybe even 'Aeon' which is similar in meaning. From what I understand, > Sanskrit is the root of most Eurasian languages. This is common misconception (and one I suspect Crowley subscribed to.) Sanskrit is an Indo-European language and thus shares a common ancestor with most known languages of Europe (English included) and western Asia. It is not the ancestor of any languages except for some in India (Pali, Bengali, Hindi, Urdu, Romani (Gypsy,) etc.) It is a very old language though and preserves very ancient forms which make it most useful for the historical linguist. In fact historical linguistics was essentially invented to explore the relations between Sanskrit on one hand and Latin and Greek on the other. The actual ancestral tongue of all these is called Proto-Indo-European, PIE for short, and while there are no extant examples of it, it has been partially reconstructed. Here's a good general source page for Indo-European studies: http://www.angelfire.com/tx/eclectorium/indoeuro.html And here's a nice family tree of the Indo-European languages: http://www.georgetown.edu/cball/oe/oe-ie.html > Does anyone know if there > is a Sanskrit word for will? Or something similar, perhaps in the Vedas? I don't have an English-Sanskrit dictionary handy, but I do recall some mention of it from my studies. Chiefly in reference to the Kshatrya (warrior) Caste who are described as 'self-willed' or 'self-controlled.' As the the English word 'will,' it derives from the PIE root *wel2 (the * means it's a reconstruction, the 2 means it's one of several PIE homophones with different meanings.) It carries the meaning of 'to wish, will.' Info from the American Heritage Dictionary of Indo-European Roots, 2nd ed. Houghton Mifflin, 2000. 93 93/93! -- Julianus ------------------------------------------------------------------ ‘Nothing on the face of this earth -- and I do mean nothing -- is half so dangerous as a children’s story that happens to be real, and you and I are wandering blindfolded through a myth devised by a maniac.’ -- Master Li Kao (T’ang Dynasty) ------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ John’s Creeping Homepage of Doom ~ http://www.kiva.net/~julianus/main.html ~ Art Portfolio ~ Typhonian Tomes ~ Qartoon Qabalah ~ Magical Games ~ Lovecraftian Qabalah ~ The Thelemite Test ~ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: thelema93-l-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/