From thelema93-l-owner@hollyfeld.org Tue Sep 16 08:06:01 1997 Received: from veracruz-gw.customer.itw.net (veracruz-gw.customer.ITW.NET [208.211.5.42]) by bay2.bjt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17192 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:06:00 -0700 Received: from www.hollyfeld.org ([204.130.199.143]) by veracruz-gw.customer.itw.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA87 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:10:39 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA28351 for thelema93-l-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:43:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.hollyfeld.org: majordom set sender to owner-thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org using -f Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (punt-2d.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.9]) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA28345 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:42:58 -0400 Received: from cadu.demon.co.uk ([158.152.183.12]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0622769; 16 Sep 97 15:11 BST Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:49:29 +0100 To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org From: Ben Fernee Subject: Re: OTO Question - a new tack In-Reply-To: <199709152035.NAA11076@f46.hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <7VJWVPnuOZXqPPTEJLWWssQpMp> Sender: owner-thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Status: RO 93 A quick summary of where we got re different manifestations of the 93 Current, or proto-93 Current, which crown themselves with the title of OTO, or some variant thereof. I for one have no desire whatsoever to argue as to which are "legitimate" or which are "spurious", and would observe that one of the Thelema 93 list moderators, Mr Tyagi, has suggested that such lines of discussion be carried on off list. I do give an everso brief description so as the reader might get some kind of handle on them, but again this is not intended to convey or invite opinions of legitimacy:- (A)OTO Frank Bennett OTO in Australia, though more A.'.A.'. inclined. No longer active? (B)OTO, Bertioux's OTO, actually the OTOA (Ordo Templi Orientis Antigua) but this doesn't rhyme as well (BR)OTO Brazilian OTO - I have no information concerning this one (C)OTO Caliphate OTO (CA)OTO Cthonic Auranian OTO, offshoot of (T)OTO associated with Bill Seibert of New Orleans who had brightly coloured hair (DB)OTO David Berson OTO, one of many (S)OTO successors (M)OTO Netzger OTO ie Swiss OTO Have an OTO museum! Active (P)OTO Panamanian foundation OTO, offshoot of (C)OTO, based in Manchester, England (P)OTO(F) Parzival OTO Foundation, associated with William Bardens, a pupil of Motta's in Australia (S)OTO Society OTO Motta's organisation (SA)South African OTO, active under Crowley, now defunct? (SC)OTO Knights of the Solar Cross OTO Geoffrey Basil Smith of Sheffield, England. Reclaiming OTO from Garnerian Wicca, (through Pat Crowther) (SL)OTO Solar Lodge of OTO, now defunct, were mates with Charles Manson (T)OTO Typhonian OTO Kenneth Grant's Order Plus HOOR Holy Order of Ra-Hoor-Khuit founded by former IXth of (S)OTO Also Fraternas Saturni, which had its own conception of the New Aeon and was an offshoot of OTO & related scenes in Germany. Links to several, but not all, may be found on http://www.topanga.net/io pan/thelema.htm Another web page that might be of interest http://www.mindspring.com/~dc orrell I am sure this list is not exhaustive and would welcome additions. The only criteria for acceptance is that they have called themselves OTO, examples of OTO's with only one member are welcomed! Personally I would also be interested in proto-oto offshoots too. eg AMORC, perhaps also certain dimensions of Steiner's anthroposophy etc. The reason for this is that I see in the endeavours of the founders of the OTO, Kellner, Reus, Hartman etc an harmonic with Crowley's revelation of Thelema and the New Aeon. However, this could prove an immense subject, and might be considered beyond the remit of Thelema 93 Best Wishes Ben 93 93/93 -- Ben Fernee, Caduceus Books, Unit 2, The Fishergate Centre, 4 Fishergate, York, YO1 4AB. Tel. +44 (0)1904 628021 Fax. +44 (0)1904 613696 Email ben@cadu.demon.co.uk Web page http://www.io.com/~albion/caduceus/ ____________...oooOOO---thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org---OOOooo..._____________ To subscribe send: 'subscribe thelema93-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org To unsubscribe send: 'unsubscribe thelema93-l' to majordomo@hollyfeld.org http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven