From sentto-1949225-7914-988106119-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Tue Apr 24 02:55:43 2001 Return-Path: sentto-1949225-7914-988106119-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from f19.egroups.com (f19.egroups.com [64.211.240.234]) by buzz.sonic.net (8.11.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id f3O9tgP22773 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:55:43 -0700 X-envelope-info: X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1949225-7914-988106119-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.52] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2001 09:55:19 -0000 X-Sender: dancingstar93@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 24 Apr 2001 09:55:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 62942 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2001 09:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Apr 2001 09:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO b05.egroups.com) (10.1.2.184) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 09:55:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dancingstar93@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.10.107] by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2001 09:55:18 -0000 To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <9c3ii3+4lsn@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20010418143013.20391.qmail@web14101.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 129.11.159.161 From: dancingstar93@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com; contact thelema93-l-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:55:15 -0000 Reply-To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [t93] P.R. Koenig "How To Make Your Own McOTO" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO 93 A few clarifications: --- In thelema93-l@y..., Michael Faulkner wrote: > Greetings, > > although the predominance of the documents contained > in the book are in English, there are a few documents > that are in German: > > the I-III degrees are in both English and German; The German version of I-III is substantially different from the two English versions which are both early and heavily Masonic (one is a manuscript, the other a typescript with handwritten alterations introducing the Saladin symbolism) the German text is closer to the Francis King version but contains some variations. > the VII degree is in both English and German; No. There is a German text of a Reuss ritual for this degree (English trans. in "Rituals and Sexmagick"); the English "VII degree ritual" is a cover sheet bearing the title: "VII* the perfect ceremony of Grand Inquisitor Commander 31* Prince of the Royal Secret 32* and Sovereign Grand Inspector General 33* and last degree of Freemasonry" (this BTW is what I think AC meant when he says in the Confessions that the VII* is 'tripartite') but the ritual attached to it - if it was ever completed - is not in McOTO (at least, not in my copy and there don't appear to be any pages missing). love, dancingstar To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: thelema93-l-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sentto-1949225-7915-988125514-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Tue Apr 24 08:18:35 2001 Return-Path: sentto-1949225-7915-988125514-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from mu.egroups.com (mu.egroups.com [64.211.240.238]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.2/8.8.5) with SMTP id f3OFIXJ14319 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:18:34 -0700 X-envelope-info: X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1949225-7915-988125514-nagasiva=luckymojo.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.53] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2001 15:18:34 -0000 X-Sender: teitan666@usa.net X-Apparently-To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 24 Apr 2001 15:18:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 37263 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2001 15:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2001 15:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 15:18:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: teitan666@usa.net Received: from [10.1.10.63] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2001 15:18:32 -0000 To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <9c45g5+mcvt@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9c3i4u+3soe@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 131.187.158.62 From: "Jason Carpenter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com; contact thelema93-l-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:18:29 -0000 Reply-To: thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [t93] P.R. Koenig "How To Make Your Own McOTO" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO > The Ritual of Passing the Tuat of course has also been claimed as > an A.'.A.'. ritual, tho' it refers internally to something called > the "Order of Thelema" and the online copies state it was sent to > Windram as part of material connected with the "Order of Thelemites." The Order of Thelemites is very active in the unbroken Motta lineage of David Bersson at least. This ritual is also in use by them, though altered to a degree. It has been formatted for individual use. > The OT constitution suggests it to be some kind of mix of OTO and > A.'.A.'. it might have been meant seriously but Tuat otoh does read > like a practical joke (did Windram ever manage to build that boat?) I am still going over it, very poorly put together. In need of some SERIOUS editing. > love, 666 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: thelema93-l-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/